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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Hey Kent,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Some guy in the Emriates paid $15 million US for the
numberplate “1” the other day in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Dubai</st1:place></st1:City>!!!! So, what’s a petty $120 000
per year for an expert IT teacher from <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Victoria</st1:place></st1:State>!!!!!!!
For $120 000 plus no tax, plus health insurance paid for plus annual flights
paid for plus housing paid for etc etc. They get a committed IT Applications Teacher
that will work day and night to make sure students learn!!!! The IT
Applications Teacher is also multi talented. They can be a parent, counsellor,
father, mother, brother, sister, carer, babysitter, coach, leader and don’t
forget an educator. So for $120 000 per year, I reckon my Arab blood cousins
think it’s a bargain. Hey I might join you!!!! And you know what? It is a
bargain. Let’s just tell that to Uncle Brumby!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Kent Beveridge<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 18, 2008
4:44 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT
field</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
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lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Where can I get me big bucks tax free...I like the
sound of that...can I go tomorrow guaranteed?</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Define 'big'? Who do I contact and when does the
plane leave? and and and and...someone stop
me!!</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of <st1:PersonName w:st="on">E.Attie</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Mon 2/18/2008 3:00 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT
field</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We are the lowest paid
teachers in the country. Even if we accept the petty 3.25% from the Brumby Govt
we will be paid 15% less than our NSW counterparts. No wonder we are losing
teachers. Most are going to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Dubai</st1:place></st1:City>
and earning the big bucks tax free!!!!!! Or even going across the border!</span></font><span
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Emad Attie</span></font><span
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Kent Beveridge<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 18 February 2008
1:55 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT
field</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hey Michael, </span></font><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>read your summary about the 'killing off' process wrt
IT. Your comments are pretty much right. (didnt know IT was sexy!). But
did know it is promoted as easy (but in reality...isnt, with all the theory
stuff AND prac to be done).</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Like yourself, I also have maths so perhaps down the
track, might be redeployed as a Maths teacher as have just got myself
accredited to teach at VCE level now. (that was hard work!).</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>For those interested...WA needs maths teachers big
time and apparently so does NSW...(perhaps the pay might have something to do
with why Vic teachers are supposedly moving over the border? or so they
say...).</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Personally, I like the standard of living in VIC.</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hey, as a promo...perhaps someone can INFORM the
careers teachers that IT graduates and specialists get a bloody good
wage! Then who cares if it aint sexy!!! OR, maybe the careers
teachers and course advisors can actually experience the REAL workforce(as many
have not!) and get the truth about what they are promoting!! And
before others attack me on that one....I had real jobs for 9 years before
teaching and yes, I do know what I am on about!! I also keep in touch with the
outside job world too just for my own interests.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Michael Walker<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Mon 2/18/2008 12:10 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> itapps@edulists.com.au<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>>>> "andrew barry"
<jagguy999@gmail.com> 16/02/2008 2:36 pm >>><br>
>there is only 1 part-time job in IT available in the whole state of Vic.<br>
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>why is it like this?<br>
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>do schools not value IT and not many opportunities exist?<br>
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I assume from your post you are talking about teaching jobs, not technicians as
Robyn from Camberwell High posted about requiring a technician there and
Canterbury Girls Sec Coll are looking for someone too. As an aside these are
both genuine positions not people reapplying for their contract - most of you
will know what I mean by that and why it's relevant!<br>
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If this assumption is correct, I would suggest you dive into the edulists
archives and read all the postings regarding IT classes running and not running
towards the end of last year which should explain why there may not be as many
IT teaching jobs available as you might expect.<br>
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In a nutshell from the top of my head:<br>
* VELS incorporating ICT as a cross curricular domain is being used as a reason
for cutting IT classes because "other subject teachers can teach
them". Some schools redeploy IT teachers as some sort of coach/mentor but
I suspect many don't = lost positions.<br>
* VCE IT is on the nose with students as the perception is that it gets marked
down for their ENTER score unlike say various Mathematics subjects. Also, it's
not a prerequisite for anything at uni unlike Maths or English. So classes get
smaller and eventually unviable which is what happened here. Negative feedback
spiral some might say.<br>
* Careers Coordinators are suggesting it as an "easy" topic for
students who may struggle in other subjects, thus putting off the more academic
students.<br>
* The subject isn't as sexy or interesting as say Art or Drama or Psych or the
Science ones so again it loses out. This one is a little subjective but the
nerd^H^H^H^H more science / maths / IT oriented students that may choose IT are
more likely to choose Biol or Chem or Maths Methods or Specialist leaving less
of a likelihood of choosing IT for the reasons listed above.<br>
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I think that was the main gist of what was said last year. If I've got it wrong
or left something out, I'm sure someone will jump in to correct me and defend
the honour of the subject...:)<br>
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Hopefully you've got another area you can teach as well as IT otherwise you
might be a little stuck...<br>
<br>
Michael Walker<br>
CGSC tech and future IT teacher (fortunately also Maths)<br>
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