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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We are the lowest paid teachers in the
country. Even if we accept the petty 3.25% from the Brumby Govt we will be paid
15% less than our NSW counterparts. No wonder we are losing teachers. Most are
going to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Dubai</st1:place></st1:City>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Kent Beveridge<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 18 February 2008
1:55 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT
field</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>read your summary about the 'killing off' process wrt
IT. Your comments are pretty much right. (didnt know IT was sexy!). But
did know it is promoted as easy (but in reality...isnt, with all the theory
stuff AND prac to be done).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Like yourself, I also have maths so perhaps down the track,
might be redeployed as a Maths teacher as have just got myself accredited to
teach at VCE level now. (that was hard work!).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>For those interested...WA needs maths teachers big time and
apparently so does NSW...(perhaps the pay might have something to do with why
Vic teachers are supposedly moving over the border? or so they say...).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Personally, I like the standard of living in VIC.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hey, as a promo...perhaps someone can INFORM the careers
teachers that IT graduates and specialists get a bloody good wage! Then
who cares if it aint sexy!!! OR, maybe the careers teachers and course
advisors can actually experience the REAL workforce(as many have not!) and get
the truth about what they are promoting!! And before others attack
me on that one....I had real jobs for 9 years before teaching and yes, I do
know what I am on about!! I also keep in touch with the outside job world too just
for my own interests.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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on behalf of Michael Walker<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Mon 2/18/2008 12:10 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> itapps@edulists.com.au<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>>> "andrew barry"
<jagguy999@gmail.com> 16/02/2008 2:36 pm >>><br>
>there is only 1 part-time job in IT available in the whole state of Vic.<br>
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>why is it like this?<br>
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>do schools not value IT and not many opportunities exist?<br>
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I assume from your post you are talking about teaching jobs, not technicians as
Robyn from Camberwell High posted about requiring a technician there and
Canterbury Girls Sec Coll are looking for someone too. As an aside these are
both genuine positions not people reapplying for their contract - most of you
will know what I mean by that and why it's relevant!<br>
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If this assumption is correct, I would suggest you dive into the edulists
archives and read all the postings regarding IT classes running and not running
towards the end of last year which should explain why there may not be as many
IT teaching jobs available as you might expect.<br>
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In a nutshell from the top of my head:<br>
* VELS incorporating ICT as a cross curricular domain is being used as a reason
for cutting IT classes because "other subject teachers can teach
them". Some schools redeploy IT teachers as some sort of coach/mentor but
I suspect many don't = lost positions.<br>
* VCE IT is on the nose with students as the perception is that it gets marked
down for their ENTER score unlike say various Mathematics subjects. Also, it's
not a prerequisite for anything at uni unlike Maths or English. So classes get
smaller and eventually unviable which is what happened here. Negative feedback
spiral some might say.<br>
* Careers Coordinators are suggesting it as an "easy" topic for
students who may struggle in other subjects, thus putting off the more academic
students.<br>
* The subject isn't as sexy or interesting as say Art or Drama or Psych or the
Science ones so again it loses out. This one is a little subjective but the
nerd^H^H^H^H more science / maths / IT oriented students that may choose IT are
more likely to choose Biol or Chem or Maths Methods or Specialist leaving less
of a likelihood of choosing IT for the reasons listed above.<br>
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I think that was the main gist of what was said last year. If I've got it wrong
or left something out, I'm sure someone will jump in to correct me and defend
the honour of the subject...:)<br>
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Hopefully you've got another area you can teach as well as IT otherwise you
might be a little stuck...<br>
<br>
Michael Walker<br>
CGSC tech and future IT teacher (fortunately also Maths)<br>
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