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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Not sure where you are in that box, cube, sphere, bucket,
peck, bushel, . . .! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I don't know the VCAA answer - but what would be the
bloody point in doing units 1 and 2 of a subject after completing units 3 and
4?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>Ex Traralgon and
Ashwood<BR></FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rgesthuizen@gmail.com href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">Roland
Gesthuizen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:40
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re:
Teaching ITA to Yr 11s</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Beyond boredom, class numbers, sequence and timetable blocking
.. would anything stop a year 11 student who did ITA unit 3 and 4 from doing
IT Unit 1 and 2 in year 12? <BR><BR>Just thinking outside the box (cube,
sphere or bucket) .. <BR><BR>Regards Roland<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 30/11/2007, <B class=gmail_sendername>Robert
Hind</B> <<A href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This obviously changes over time as the universities,
through VTAC, change their requirements and as the VCE changes. The VICTER
2008 manual, the one current for students in year 12 this year states that
(pages 7 and 8):<FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed>
<P align=left>"no more that two IT studies. . . <FONT
face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed>can be included in the Primary Four. . . .
<FONT face=Humanist521BT-BoldCondensed>IT studies include: </FONT><FONT
face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed>VCE Information Systems; VCE Information
Processing and Management; and VCE VET Information Technology." So it would
seem that students doing both this year have been able to count both towards
their ENTER and this seems to continue into the future - at least up to
2010.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed><FONT
face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed>Of course this VICTER was written before
ITA and SOD started as the VICTER is written for year 10 students planning
their courses, ie for this year's year 12s the VICTER 2008 was
written in 2005.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed><FONT
face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed>Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>Ex Traralgon
and Ashwood<BR></FONT></FONT></P></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed>
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<A title=DRADR@whc.vic.edu.au
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:DRADR@whc.vic.edu.au" target=_blank>DRADR@whc.vic.edu.au</A>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>itapps@edulists.com.au</A> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Friday, November 30, 2007 2:59 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: Teaching ITA to Yr 11s</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Debra</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I don't believe this is
correct. The Victer 2010 publication (available from the Career's teacher)
page 8 indicates that you can use either IPM or ITA and Info
Systems or Software Development in your ENTER
calculations.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ray
Drady</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Western Heights
College</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [mailto:<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>McDonald, Debra A1<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 30 November 2007
1:59<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: Teaching ITA to Yr
11s<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Lucida Calligraphy" color=#000080 size=2>here
is the problem with that.... the students can only use the score from
either ITA or SOD to assist them in getting into the university as I had
a student who tried both and it was rejected...</FONT></DIV>
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size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Lucida Calligraphy" color=#000080 size=2>hope
yours had better luck.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Lucida Calligraphy" color=#000080
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Lucida Calligraphy" color=#000080
size=2>cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-AU><FONT
color=#800000><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-AU><FONT
face="Lucida Calligraphy"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#800000>Debra
M<SUP>c</SUP>Donald</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> on behalf of Rattan,
Kushum L<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 30/11/07 1:29 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IT
Apps] Re: Teaching ITA to Yr 11s<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>I offered IPM(ITA) in one year and Info Systems(SOD) in
the second to<BR>overcome this problem.<BR>Kushum Rattan<BR>IT
Co-ordinator<BR>Gisborne Secondary College<BR>Phone: (03) 5428
3691<BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A><BR>[<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target=_blank>
mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] On Behalf Of Meadows, Roslyn
M<BR>Sent: Friday, 30 November 2007 12:00 PM<BR>To: Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR>Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Re: Teaching ITA to Yr 11s<BR><BR>Get them doing a first year uni IT
subject???<BR><BR><BR><BR>Roslyn Meadows<BR>ICT Coordinator<BR>Head of
Assessment and Reporting<BR>Bentleigh Secondary College | 9579 1044 |
0412 614 062<BR><BR>Please consider the environment before printing this
email<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A><BR>[<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target=_blank>
mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] On Behalf Of Russell
Edwards<BR>Sent: Friday, 30 November 2007 11:37 AM<BR>To: Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Re: Teaching ITA to Yr 11s<BR><BR><BR>On 30/11/2007, at 10:53 AM,
Meadows, Roslyn M wrote:<BR>> I think what Kent and Roland mean is
that you just enrol your Year <BR>> 11's<BR>> into the 3/4
unit, so they do ITApps SAC's and the exam, and at the <BR>>
end<BR>> of the year they have one year 12 subject up their
sleeve.<BR><BR>Oops, my mistake! That sounds much more sensible,
although what do you <BR>do with the kids who want to do 2 years of
IT?<BR><BR>Russell Edwards<BR>Whittlesea Secondary
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