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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I feel it has not changed at all over the
years. The students and parents of the kids, seem to think because they sit in
front of a computer on MSN and games and Email that they do know all they need
to know about IT, but when you speak to them regarding Networks, IT in business,
Gant and PERTs ect… and there importance, they seem to answer, WHAT?????I
just took a student to the photocopying room to copy some practice Sacs for me
and she commented on the hand written notes a teacher was photocopying. <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>AND WHO SAYS WE DON’T NEED MORE IT IN THE
CLASSROOM</span></i>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Anne-Marie Chase<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 24 September 2007
3:07 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT
and alternatives..</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>Hi<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>We
hear all the time in the media that kids know everything about technology, and
people tend to believe this, in particular parents. So why would students
need to study IT at school? It’s five years now since I was an IT
teacher in the classroom and kids certainly didn’t know everything then
(a few did </span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Wingdings><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:blue'>J</span></font><font
size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>), has it changed? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>For
the year 7-10 IT we need to look at the technologies kids use and how they use
them and think about where we as teachers can take this. We must
recognize their informal learning and their existing skills and build on
this. We must consider what skills children don’t ‘pick up’
themselves through their own use and communication networks and look to fill
these gaps. A big thing in the media at present is the risk children are
at from predators while on line. For both parents and students there is a
need for education in how to protect yourself while on line. These skills
go beyond basic operational skills and require students to be critical users of
technology and evaluate their use. Surely this is a role IT teachers
should play?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>I
haven’t taught the year 12 IT Apps but did teach IP&M, the processes,
development cycles, evaluations etc did way more than develop technical
know-how, it helped students to understand appropriate ICT for specific needs
and contexts and develop discriminating use and understanding of the value of
ICT. Do students and parents understand this is the value in studying IT?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>I
guess there should come a time where ICT is so well integrated into the
curriculum that ICT as a subject will change. For this to be achieved
other subject teachers will continue to need so much support that IT teachers
will be far from redundant. I recently listened to a presentation by an
Atelierista in a Reggio kindy. A long way from ICT in secondary schools I
know. Yet a lot to be learnt in terms of team teaching, contexts,
learning styles, projects and integrated curriculums. She talked about
her role supporting all the children and teachers in the primary school, she
had to know what all the teachers where doing and support them with materials,
tools, techniques and skills that would enable them to achieve their
goals. All the materials needed to be accessed, tested and
evaluated. The tools, techniques and skills practiced and taught.
This is way more than a classroom teacher could achieve by themselves,
expertise was needed to support the classroom teacher. This was a role I
always tried to offer in schools with the support and provision of IT
expertise. For much of the delivery of ICT this is the way that should it
be done, integrated, but with the support and guidance of an ICT specialist. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>I wouldn’t
start retraining yet……… <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>I’ve
put an e-mail on this list before so I know many of you are aware of the
research I am currently undertaking as part of a doctoral study. However,
I still need more schools to get involved. Please send me an e-mail if
you are interested <a href="mailto:chasea01@student.uwa.edu.au">chasea01@student.uwa.edu.au</a>
The study is gathering data on student’s experiences with a whole
range of technologies in and out-of-school, students skill level with
technology is examined. Associations with levels of engagement, students
background and school factors will be investigated. We need to gain an
understanding of what students are doing so we know how best we can support and
teach them……..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>Anne-Marie<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Kent Beveridge<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 24 September 2007 10:58<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Year 12 IT Apps] IT and
alternatives..</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Here is another reason
that I, as an IT teacher primarily, am actively expanding my 'official
qualification' base. Having taught both Maths and IT, but not being accredited
to take VCE maths, this year for me, has been one of gaining, or trying to at
least, post grad quals via online study for Maths. The primary reason is now
coming to bear judging by the current thread! It seems that our IT stream is
becoming a dying subject. Personally, I think its because of the over
complexity of its content, and, an over zealous attempt to 'update' the subject
when it has in fact, turned it from a fun subject to more of a dying dinosaur
soon for extinction. </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Since I still intend to stay in teaching to see my
job days out (about 10-15 more years), I guess retraining is the best option.
Beats the unemployment line! </span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>With a bit of luck, by christmas, I will be able to
offer VCE maths via a national accreditation, unlike my IT, which seems only
recognized in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Victoria</st1:State></st1:place>.
Those damn politicians and their VIT rego, only being valid for <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Victoria</st1:State></st1:place>. This is the
ideal situation where a national accreditation makes more sense. I for one, am
prepared to travel interstate to teach as I have no attachments, sad but true!</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am also hoping that my TA04 course(again,
nationally accredited) will be finished by year end too. This opens up
other options also. (Hi Allan!).</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Heres the strange bit, a girlfriend a few short years
back suggested I should finish my maths qual back then, talk about foresight.
Also let an opportunity to do an MIT at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Melbourne</st1:City></st1:place>
uni pass by. In hindsight, maybe the MIT might not have been really any use
anyway!</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Maybe I'll just be a brickies labour, reckon I'm too
old to start an apprenticeship now! Or even start a lawn mowing business but
unfortunately we need rain for that one!</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I spose with private tutoring at least its with
people who choose to be there.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My prediction..by 2010, IT is gone! I too am trying
the multimedia, programming option but the kids just dont have the attention
span or desire to take it further. The parents I am getting the impression too,
dont see much value in IT at senior levels. I guess they use it as a time
filler pre-VCE years, lucky us(not).</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Here's the funny part..who do they alway ask for
computing help? Us ITers, yet they are killing us off by their subject(lack of)
selection. Ironically, my school is building 3 new labs due to open next
year. Great for junior and middle school, but the VCE IT (SD?) may not get much
benefit. Maybe i should just shift my focus, like others, to junior and middle
levels as the seniors dont give a rats!.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Roy Smalley<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Mon 9/24/2007 10:23 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Answers...</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi Geoff,<br>
<br>
I think you articulated nearly all of my concerns with this new course.<br>
<br>
One addition I would make is -<br>
<br>
The increased complexity of the Outcomes (SACs).<br>
<br>
For the first time this year both my ITA classes at Chisholm had seven
International students and the remaining students were all 'adults returning to
study'. Most of these students had a great deal of trouble handling SACs which
contained multiple tasks/software. They tended to concentrate on the one task
or software type. In the past students recieved low marks because the weak
students concentrated more on the 'computer' work and less on the written
work. These students are now failing because in addition they will only
concentrate on one of the tasks.<br>
<br>
It is my understanding that the tasks within one outcome must be related to the
same problem and done at the same time. We need to have they flexiblity of
breaking the outcomes into their individual tasks. I appreciate that the VCAA
is trying to give students an appreciation of what it is like to work in the IT
industry, etc. But, I think we are asking to much of our students (especially
the less academic and disadvantaged). Most TAFE and University courses wouldn't
try integrating theory and practice in projects until their final year! We need
a course that caters for a wide range of abilities and IT backgrounds -
flexible assessment is part of the solution!<br>
<br>
The other problem with such large assessment tasks is the SAC resits. When a
student fails a 6-8 hour assessment task how do you provide them with the
opportunity to show a satisfactory understaning of the outcome? It's even worse
for international students - the institute insists that they should have three
attempts to pass each outcome with appropriate tutoring in between!!<br>
<br>
The VCAA really needs to rethink their policy on prerequisites. If students are
assumed to have skills and knowledge from earlier years then this should be
stated as a prerequisite or 'strongly recommended' within the study design.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Roy Smalley<br>
Access Department<br>
Chisholm Institute of TAFE<br>
<st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">PO Box</st1:Street> 684</st1:address><br>
Dandenong VIC 3175<br>
<br>
Work: 9238 8496<br>
<br>
<br>
>>> "Geoff Moss" <geoffmoss37@optusnet.com.au> Friday,
21 September 2007 20:27:36 >>><br>
Hi Maree<br>
<br>
This has been a real problem I have faced at RMIT this year. Most of our<br>
students had not done IT lower in the education system (a large majority of<br>
our Year 12 students are not from RMIT Year 11 and many are mature<br>
students).<br>
<br>
As a result of the new study design these students have been severely<br>
disadvantaged, having to learn each of the three applications before being<br>
able to do each SAC.<br>
<br>
While the intent of the course designers has no doubt been honourable and<br>
directed at improving the study, little thought has been done for students<br>
who fall into our situation.<br>
<br>
We cannot prevent students selecting the study as they quite correctly state<br>
that the study has no prerequisites (SD p.8). But did they anticipate<br>
students would undertake the study without skills and knowledge in a<br>
database software aplication, webdesign software and in Excel.? I
strongly<br>
suggest they did not.<br>
<br>
In previous years we have coped in teaching two aplications - web-design<br>
software and Excel - but the addition of a database has really added huge<br>
problems to the task for our students.<br>
<br>
I wrote earlier this year on the list about this problem but received no<br>
response.<br>
<br>
I would like to know what other teachers, the study writers and Paula could<br>
suggest we do in this situation, knowing that these students are also<br>
competing with others in the state who have good skills in all three of<br>
these software applications.<br>
<br>
Where my students are so poorly done by is that the time we spend on<br>
teaching the software applications has to come from the time I would like to<br>
teach them theory. This is what we will be doing during the vacation and
in<br>
the few weeks of Term 3, when other students will have the luxury of<br>
revising the study.<br>
<br>
I know there is no solution to this problem and that my students are really<br>
behind a very large eight-ball.<br>
<br>
The reality is that there is no longer a level playing field in ITA any<br>
more. Requiring students to learn three software applications, complete 4<br>
SACs (three of which are software based) and then have them to learn the<br>
theory of the study design is a tall ask for any student.<br>
<br>
My winge is for the plight of my students and any other students who are in<br>
a similar plight. No-one is going to fight for them at this stage.<br>
<br>
Geoff Moss<br>
RMIT<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Maree Duivenvoorden" <MareeD@toorakc.vic.edu.au><br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</st1:PersonName>"<br>
<itapps@edulists.com.au><br>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:43 PM<br>
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Answers...<br>
<br>
<br>
> ITA is not running here at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Toorak</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> either - which is
very<br>
> disappointing for me, as we have also had good results. The students<br>
> below Year 12 have not had any 'core' IT classes and when this is the<br>
> case, it is difficult for them to pick it up in Year 12 and learn the<br>
> entire study. They are choosing subjects that have been given a
'pathway'<br>
> through the school, and that frankly makes it easier on them.<br>
><br>
> Maree Duivenvoorden<br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Toorak</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
> Old Mornington Road<br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Mount</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Eliza</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> Vic 3930<br>
><br>
> 03 97887252<br>
> mareed@toorakc.vic.edu.au<br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
><br>
> From: itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Diane Peat<br>
> Sent: Fri 9/21/2007 3:14 PM<br>
> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</st1:PersonName><br>
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Answers...<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ITA is not running here at Firbank next year, despite good results over<br>
> the<br>
> years. Very sad (and a very sore point with me).<br>
><br>
> By the way Brendyn ... I think you forgot to attach it.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Diane Peat<br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Firbank</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Grammar School</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on">BRIGHTON</st1:place><br>
> Telephone 9591 5188<br>
> Email dpeat@firbank.vic.edu.au<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au<br>
> [<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]On
Behalf Of Brendyn Hancock<br>
> Sent: Friday, 21 September 2007 1:41 PM<br>
> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</st1:PersonName><br>
> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Answers...<br>
><br>
> All<br>
><br>
> Here is my suggested answers for the Superior Auto SAC.<br>
><br>
> I have not completed the last few.<br>
><br>
> I have written my answers in teacher form not full students ans form.<br>
><br>
> Maybe it will help others.<br>
><br>
> Have a happy hols everyone.<br>
><br>
> We going through subject selection at the moment. I had 21 students<br>
> this year. Next year I think I will be teaching SOSE. Struggling to get<br>
> the kids for ITA 2008.<br>
> What are others finding?<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> Brendyn<br>
><br>
> Brendyn Hancock<br>
> IT Manager<br>
> bhancock@nagle.sale.catholic.edu.au<br>
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