Say Andrew, I am surrounded on three sides at my school by huge
electrical pylons (its like a scene out of The Castle) and an EduPASS
WAP in my office. I think that I need to start wearing a protective
beanie made from aluminum foil. Will this protect me?
<a href="http://zapatopi.net/afdb/">http://zapatopi.net/afdb/</a><br><br>Kevork is spot on .. although it isn't so much clawing back control as tearing up what schools have done. I remember a time when we built our network s with no department guidance, support or vision. At least the Uni up the road was a good source of inspiration. Is my world going upside down with things being sold off or ceded to federal or state bodies? Hospitals are next I see. Universities? Are schools next?
<br><br>I would be very unhappy if I was told to use any one Network OS compared to the hybrid network that has suited and grown into the needs of my school. The technicians I have spoken have similarly expressed concerns about this shift. What might benefit and support a small, regional primary school has considerably less merit for larger secondary school.
<br><br> I am no fan of major, disruptive changes that shuffle power upwards to only deliver a hypothetical and incremental improvement. I shudder to think of the experience of one fab list member who has had enough trouble to just get their ITA class software working ... extrapolated to the entire state. Brrrrrr
<br><br>Regards Roland<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 21/08/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Kevork Krozian</b> <<a href="mailto:Kroset@novell1.fhc.vic.edu.au">Kroset@novell1.fhc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Folks,<br><br> Apparently the first stage of clawing back control of school IT infrastructures is the Ultranet project. This will centralise all data as far as who, when and what in all IT activities in a school. Updates will be pushed out as in edupass.
<br> Stage 2 is to mandate server hardware and NOS's ( Network Operating Systems ).<br> Stage 3 is to mandate desktop hardware and OS's.<br><br> I don't know about everyone else but I wouldn't feel too happy if I was told I had to use one Network OS as opposed to another.
<br><br> Having spoken to a number of technicians this is their opinion , so read in all the requisite disclaimers.<br><br>As an aside apparently a parents' group has requested that edupass be shut down pending a full investigation of the health implications of the radio waves used in the wireless system on the health of their children , students and teachers.
<br>If you don't believe me read it in the Age here <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/classroom-wireless-could-be-harmful-parents/2007/08/16/1186857682342.html">http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/classroom-wireless-could-be-harmful-parents/2007/08/16/1186857682342.html
</a> from last Friday.<br><br><br>Take Care<br><br><br><br><br>Kevork Krozian<br>IT Manager , Forest Hill College<br><a href="mailto:k.krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au">k.krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au</a><br><a href="http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au">
http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au</a><br>Mobile: 0419 356 034<br><br>>>> Mark Kelly <<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>> 20/08/2007 7:58 pm >>><br>I dread to say this, since I am usually The Cynical One Lambasting The
<br>Establishment (TCOLTE), but...<br><br>Dare I suggest the motives of DE&T are less Machiavellian than you might<br>fear?<br><br>Could they even have genuinely altruistic motives?<br><br>Yes, I was a part of the Ultranet trial, but that is not the reason I
<br>say this.<br><br>For DE&T to actively counteract any motive force in a pre-emptive and<br>self-satisfying manner is to assume they have a motive for doing so...<br>and when have they shown any signs of oppressing Moodlish installations
<br>in schools?<br><br>Could it be that they are in fact trying to satisfy a need in schools<br>that some pioneers have already explored with Moodling, or equivalent?<br><br>I'm not getting paid for this, but I'm holding off pre-emptive criticism
<br>until I see the beast that's provided for me to ride.<br><br>Etc<br><br>Mark<br><br>Stephen Digby wrote:<br>> Yes.<br>> The current review of government school intranets is the first step in<br>> the claw back of control of school IT.
<br>> They are starting with requiring schools to document their networks and<br>> redesign them under a single blueprint.<br>> Under the guise of security they will then shut down "unsupported"<br>> external access tools like moodle.
<br>> To justify the ridiculous expenditure on UltraNet, they will require all<br>> schools to use it, thus making maintenance of other tools a costly<br>> duplication rather than an alternative.<br>> Any deficiencies in the system will be met with either denial or more
<br>> wasted investment....<br>><br>> Hear this before ?<br>><br>> Heard of "CASES" ?<br>><br>> ====================================================<br>> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
<br>> mailto: <a href="mailto:admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au">admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au">admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au</a>><br>> Cheltenham Secondary College <a href="http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au">
www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au</a><br>> <<a href="http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/">http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/</a>><br>> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617 Mb: 0431-701-028<br>> ====================================================
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<br>> *From:* <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><br>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Grimshaw
<br>> *Sent:* Monday, 20 August 2007 3:27 PM<br>> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet<br>><br>> Am i silly to assume that we will be able run our moodels as well as the
<br>> ultranet? - i cant think of any reason why we couldn't<br>><br>> andrew grimshaw<br>> colac college<br>><br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> *From:* Roland Gesthuizen <mailto:<a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">
rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>><br>> *Newsgroups:* local.it.itapps<br>> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">itapps@edulists.com.au
</a>><br>> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2007 1:37 PM<br>> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet<br>><br>> Hmm, they didn't answer the $M60 question asked.<br>><br>> Oddly enough, they invited Laurie to download the tender. Cute :-)
<br>><br>> It would be an interesting to post a tender response.<br>><br>> A survey is nice, but I wonder at the depth and level of<br>> consultation with the subject associations and professional groups
<br>> already doing cool activities with tools such as Moodle. This is<br>> about teaching and learning, not just worksheets, software and<br>> bandwidth. For now, we we can only speculate at the deeper
<br>> educational pedagogy and research that underpins this centralist<br>> model for networked service delivery. Anybody who can predict the<br>> world beyond 2017 is a fool. I'm certainly not holding my breath.
<br>><br>> It is really great to see ALL the different learning tools we are<br>> all using and engaged by the exciting things that are happening.<br>> Only last week, a new teacher was posted here a swag of ideas from
<br>> MS Sharepoint users. Thats cool! There is a very real strength in<br>> our current diversity of tools, teaching styles and innovative<br>> solutions, many in spite of poor funding or administrative hurdles.
<br>> The VITTA annual conference is a celebration of these success<br>> stories by a community of practicing educators.<br>><br>> Should we be concerned about an all embracing, centralist model for
<br>> networked service delivery for Victorian state schools? I suppose we<br>> could be proactive and engage with the tender process .. or keep on<br>> doing the fun stuff that engages and teaches our students :-)
<br>><br>> Regards Roland<br>><br>> On 20/08/07, *Laurie Savage* <<a href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au
</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> I emailed the Ultranet people, here is their reply.<br>><br>> Laurie<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Quach, Tam T [mailto:
<a href="mailto:quach.tam.t@edumail.vic.gov.au">quach.tam.t@edumail.vic.gov.au</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:quach.tam.t@edumail.vic.gov.au">quach.tam.t@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>>] On Behalf Of<br>> Ultranet
<br>> Sent: Monday, 20 August 2007 9:28 AM<br>> To: <a href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</a>><br>> Subject: RE: Ultranet
<br>><br>> Hi Laurie<br>><br>> Thank you for your enquiry of 17 August 2007 regarding the<br>> Ultranet.<br>><br>> The Department of Education is aware that some schools are using
<br>> learning<br>> management systems such as Moodle. Please refer to section<br>> 8.1.20 of the<br>> Request for Tender specifications below:<br>><br>> 8.1.20 Learning Management Systems
<br>> A few Victorian government schools have made investments in<br>> third party<br>> learning management solutions. Solutions include (but are not<br>> limited to)<br>> Edumate, My Classes, Scholaris, Studywiz, Moodle, Blackboard and
<br>> other<br>> custom developed intranet solutions. The solutions are<br>> implemented within<br>> schools' curriculum network environment. DoE is in the process<br>> of conducting
<br>> an extensive survey of existing applications in use at schools<br>> to assist in<br>> formulating the data conversion and change management strategies.<br>><br>> Learning management systems, however, are only one component of the
<br>> Ultranet. The other components include:<br>><br>> . Strategy<br>> . Learning and Teaching Management<br>> . Administration<br>> . Collaboration<br>> . Student Information
<br>> . Staff Information<br>> . School Information<br>> . Reporting<br>> . Productivity Tools<br>> . Architecture<br>> . Security<br>> . Standards
<br>> . Change Management<br>> . Development and Implementation<br>> . Service Hosting, Operational Support and Maintenance<br>><br>> The Ultranet Request for Tender was released publicly on 1
<br>> August 2007. You<br>> can the Ultranet RFT from the Victorian Government Tenders web<br>> site at<br>> <a href="http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au">www.tenders.vic.gov.au</a> <
<a href="http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au">http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au</a>>. Search<br>> for 'Ultranet'. You will need to register on<br>> the site in order to download the document.<br>>
<br>> I hope this answers your question.<br>><br>> Regards<br>> Tam Quach<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Laurie Savage [mailto:<a href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">
sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</a>>]<br>> Sent: Friday, 17 August 2007 3:35 PM<br>> To: Ultranet<br>> Subject: Ultranet
<br>><br>> We are already using a colloborative, intuitive e-learning<br>> system that is<br>> under constant development and improvement. We use it for VELS<br>> and VCE<br>
> cources. It is free, open source and can be tailored to local<br>> needs. It is<br>> written in PHP and uses a free backend database. It is called<br>> Moodle. Does<br>> the state need to spend $M60 to implement an untried alternative?
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