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<DIV><SPAN class=915451901-07062007></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT
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size=2>Below is an answer i received from one of the more experienced VELS people at the school it seems to match some of the answers already mentioned</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Andrew Weir<BR>VK3HFT<BR>Information Technology
Coordinator<BR>Intranet Manager<BR>Thomas Carr College<BR>35 Thomas Carr
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ADDISON Penny <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 7
June 2007 11:06 AM<BR><B>To:</B> WEIR Andrew<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: VELS and
semester reporting - please advise<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Andrew,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The problem comes from the nature of semester based
units that are ‘swapped.’ Technically, the school makes a mistake in offering
exactly the same unit in Semester 1 and 2. This is because students are at a
different stage of ‘progression’ at Semester 1 in Year 9 and Semester 2 in Year
9. The course should have been modified in Semester 2 to allow for this later
stage of progression. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Penny Addison<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Humanities Coordinator<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Social Justice Coodinator, VIEU Rep. & Staff Rep. on
the Consultative Committee<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Year 9 Homeroom Teachers
Office<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thomas</SPAN></FONT></st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Carr</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, <st1:Street
w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Thomas Carr Drive</st1:address></st1:Street>,
Tarneit VIC 3029<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Direct Line: Ext 129 OR 9974
5129<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Administration: 9748 4466<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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immediately and delete the e-mail and all copies. <st1:place
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w:st="on">Carr</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
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<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR>From: WEIR Andrew
<BR>Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 10:55 AM<BR>To: <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">ADDISON Penny</st1:PersonName><BR>Subject: Fwd: VELS and semester
reporting - please advise</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Penny<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As one of the college VELS experts do you have a opinion
on this. I am really unsure of how to answer this
one.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I thought it was a good
scenario<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From: itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork
Krozian<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 10:39
AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To: itapps@edulists.com.au<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:
reporting@edulists.com.au<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Fwd: VELS and semester
reporting - please advise<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> I hate to do this, but I haven't heard from the
reporting list so I am cross posting this for your advice
please.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">>>> Kevork Krozian 6/06/2007 10:29 am
>>><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Consider this dilemma
,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Students do a compulsory elective of ICT in 1 semester
of Year 9 ( or Yr 10 for that matter ). All students will do this elective,
either in Sem 1 or Sem 2. It is the same work for both semesters. Student X does
Sem 1, student Y does Sem 2. They are twins.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Both attain a progression point of 5.5 . However,
student X gets a grade of B and student Y gets a grade of C for the same work.
So , how do we explain this to parents ? They are both achieving the same
, yet score different grades by the randomness of elective selection and
different stages ( or ages ) of assessment .<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> How do we reconcile this
?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Look forward to your
replies<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Kevork Krozian<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">IT Manager , <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
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<st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">k.krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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