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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Scott<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 23 February 2007
8:49 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps]
U3O1: Database and proj man SAC</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>A well debated question last
time this was raised.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I’m with you Michael, we
can make the experience more real by simulating an actual PM exercise rather
that having students doing PM on something as trivial as undertaking their SAC.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Mark Scott<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>PS Hi Paula<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Michael Torsello (Mr)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 23 February 2007
8:28 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Year 12 IT Apps] U3O1:
Database and proj man SAC</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am writing to get feedback of something that has
always bothered me about this SAC (and the old U4O1).</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Do I have to base the project management part of this
SAC on the same database problem that the students solve? The marks for this
SAC are distinctly separate (40 + 10), can we separate the SACs too?</span></font><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Let me explain: Most of us are happy to dedicate an
incredible 500 minutes (10 period x 50 minutes) to this SAC and students
have to apply project management to their own project. I find this incredibly
unrealistic (not that we can be totally realistic in a classroom). However,
they allocate resources to one person, themselves, they plan their time over
the allotted 10 periods and the concept of a budget is usually irrelevant. They
first do an analysis and then plan their project and then the analysis is meant
to be part of the project. It seems totally out of whack to me.</span></font><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>In the past, I have allotted 5 periods x 50 minutes
to a database problem (analysis, design, production, testing, evaluation) and
then later (not necessarily the next class) a written test for about two
periods for the project management part. I provide a case study that is a bit
more realistic, involves more people, (albeit fictitious) and even throw a spanner
in the works, just like real projects.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have attached a Proj Man test on spreadsheets that
I used last year. I draw your attention to the last two pages. At one point
near the end of the paper, students have to ask the teacher for another
page, (the last page of file). I circled one choice from each option and
they have to answer questions about having to deal with these unexpected
events.</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>This approach uses less time, does proj management
justice and students are less stressed about monstrous SACs.</span></font><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Perhaps Paula can tell me if there are any reason why
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