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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000080 size=2>Hello everyone,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000080 size=2>so would it be safe then to conduct
the outcomes separately, ie. outcome 1 - task 1, then outcome 2 - task 2,
outcome 2 - task 1, then outcome 2 - task 2, etc.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000080 size=2>sorry if this is an obvious
question.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000080 size=2>thank-you,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000080 size=2>Litsa</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=josephpapaleo@gmail.com href="mailto:josephpapaleo@gmail.com">Joseph
Papaleo</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 23, 2007 10:34
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] U3O1:
Database and proj man SAC</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>We used the same approach as yours the last 2 years.
Hoping to do the same again this year.<BR><BR>Joseph Papaleo<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 2/23/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Michael
Torsello (Mr)</B> < <A
href="mailto:michael@stmargarets.vic.edu.au">michael@stmargarets.vic.edu.au</A>>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am writing to get feedback of something
that has always bothered me about this SAC (and the old
U4O1).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do I have to base the project management
part of this SAC on the same database problem that the students solve? The
marks for this SAC are distinctly separate (40 + 10), can we separate the
SACs too?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>Let me explain: Most of us are happy to
dedicate an incredible 500 minutes (10 period x 50 minutes) to this SAC
and students have to apply project management to their own project. I find
this incredibly unrealistic (not that we can be totally realistic in a
classroom). However, they allocate resources to one person, themselves, they
plan their time over the allotted 10 periods and the concept of a budget is
usually irrelevant. They first do an analysis and then plan their project
and then the analysis is meant to be part of the project. It seems totally
out of whack to me.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>In the past, I have allotted 5 periods x
50 minutes to a database problem (analysis, design, production, testing,
evaluation) and then later (not necessarily the next class) a written
test for about two periods for the project management part. I provide a case
study that is a bit more realistic, involves more people, (albeit
fictitious) and even throw a spanner in the works, just like real
projects.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have attached a Proj Man test on
spreadsheets that I used last year. I draw your attention to the last two
pages. At one point near the end of the paper, students have to ask the
teacher for another page, (the last page of file). I circled one choice
from each option and they have to answer questions about having to deal with
these unexpected events.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>This approach uses less time, does proj
management justice and students are less stressed about monstrous
SACs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>Perhaps Paula can tell me if there are
any reason why I can't use this approach this year?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P align=left><B><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
size=2>----------------------------------</FONT></SPAN></B> <BR><B><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>With thanks</FONT></SPAN></B>
<BR><B><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael
Torsello</FONT></SPAN></B> <BR><B><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Director of Computing</FONT></SPAN></B> <BR><B><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial size=2>St Margaret's School, Berwick</FONT></SPAN></B>
<BR><B><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ph: (03) 9703
8111</FONT></SPAN></B><SPAN lang=en-us><I></I><I></I></SPAN> </P>
<P align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM>"Unless mankind redesigns itself
by changing our DNA through altering our genetic makeup, computer-generated
robots will take over our world." </EM>Stephen Hawking</FONT></P>
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