I quite agree. The purpose of Marks analysis is clearly educational. Quoting and reflecting upon portions of past examination by educators certainly seems like fair use to me. The work is already past any real value, the proportion of the work quoted is smaller than the whole (formatting, coversheet, marksheet, instructions, examiners report included) and the effect of the Marks work on the potential VCAA resale market limited.
<br><br>Has the VCAA copyright owner lost any money from Marks analysis? Once used, the commercial value of any examination question lapses. I don't imagine that the VCAA make any money by exporting and selling old examination questions to third world schools. Although there may be a very small market in the sale of reprints of old examinations, there is more merit in encouraging their free distribution for the next generation of students to use as practice examinations. The proposition that anybody would think to benefit from assembling a new examination from the fragments posted by Mark is equally laughable.
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<br>The practice of teaching includes a synthesis of deep analysis, reflection and rich learning experiences that challenge current thinking. Without this dissemination of past and trial examinations, Mark would be teaching his students by shouting from a pulpit. Without sharing his thoughts with colleagues, he is teaching with his head in the sand. This is not the behavior of a true educational professional.
<br><br>I am soundly gobsmacked that anybody would be given a direction to NOT freely quote
portions from, reflect, discuss or critique past examination questions, destroying considerable good will and
stalling or moving underground any reasonable academic research and reflection that is part of
my profession as an educational scientist. <br><br>If my analysis of our current legislation is wrong then I will repeat here a very good quotation from <span style="font-style: italic;">Oliver Twist</span> by Charles Dickens:
<br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">"If the law supposes that," said Mr. Bumble,… "the law is a ass—a
idiot. If that's the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the
worst I wish the law is that his eye may be opened by experience—by
experience." <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/73/1002.html">http://www.bartleby.com/73/1002.html</a><br></div>
<br>Regards Roland<br><br>PS: No, I did not contact Barleby for permission to quote a portion of their database or for this link. I think they have better things to do ...<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 07/02/07,
<b class="gmail_sendername">Bane, Janet A</b> <<a href="mailto:bane.janet.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">bane.janet.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I think its kind of ironic really, the emphasis in the new study design is all about collaborative sharing of knowledge and resources. Sad that they can't practice what they preach.
<br><br>It would be good if EVERYONE who subscribes to this list showed their support of mark's fantastic work over the years. I for one am truly greatful for all the great resources he has put together, including the "illegal" post mortem.
<br><br>Keep up the good work<br><br>Janet Bane<br>Patterson Rive SC<br><br><br>________________________________<br><br>From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
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<a href="mailto:margaret.lawson@konstantkaos.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">margaret.lawson@konstantkaos.net</a><br>Sent: Tue 06-Feb-07 4:32 PM<br>To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
<br>Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Lecture Notes
<br><br><br><br>I am just catching up with this thread ... what can I say - absolute<br>bullshit.<br><br>We use the technology to COLLABORATE and to enrich the learning of the<br>collective group, and the reward is a slap in the face.
<br><br>Does this "copyright" decision have ramifications for anyone presenting at<br>conferences or PD events?<br><br>Mark, a big thankyou from the IT Teaching community, your efforts have<br>been appreciated by teachers and students alike.
<br><br>Grrr<br><br>Margaret<br><br><br>> "Tis a sad day. I enjoyed your post mortems Mark.<br>><br>> Regards<br>><br>> Caroline Thomas<br>><br>> Baimbridge College, Hamilton<br>> 85 Stephen Street
<br>> HAMILTON VIC 3300<br>> Ph 03 5572 2788<br>> Fax 03 5572 5811<br>><br>> ________________________________<br>><br>> From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
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</a> on behalf of Mark Kelly<br>> Sent: Mon 05-February-2007 9:30 AM<br>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Lecture Notes<br>><br>><br>><br>> I'm staying out of it for the time being.
<br>><br>> It's the decision of VCAA's copyright officer, Renee Brierley, and Paula.<br>><br>> What I'll have to do is put the copyrighted stuff (exam questions, key<br>> knowledge & skills, glossary) on our extranet so the only people who can
<br>> reach those bits will be McKinnon students. Sigh.<br>><br>> Kevork Krozian wrote:<br>>> Hi Folks,<br>>><br>>> I feel a little confused here and perhaps Mark can shed more light on<br>>> it.
<br>>><br>>> Mark can't publish his discussion of the questions because it is<br>>> copyright means what ?<br>>><br>>> .. that the questions are owned by the VCAA and to mention them is<br>
>> breach of intellectual property even though you are teaching the subject<br>>> and obviously need to discuss it with your students and colleagues ?<br>>> .. that it does not qualify for an exemption on the grounds that it is
<br>>> not educational ???? What does that mean ? How much more educational<br>>> does it have to be if not to discuss how Yr 12 students would be<br>>> reasonably expected to answer the questions based on what is in the
<br>>> study design ?<br>>><br>>> I am rather confused. Mark if you are reading this please help us all<br>>> understand the answers to these questions.<br>>> Perhaps Paula can help us find some of these answers too .
<br>>><br>>> Yours in sadness<br>>><br>>> Kevork Krozian<br>>> Mailing List Creator and Administrator<br>>> <a href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
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IAQUIM@bialik.vic.edu.au</a>><br>>> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"<br>>> <<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
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<br>>> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Lecture Notes<br>>><br>>><br>>>> I agree! The Post Mortem was SO valuable. And your sense of humour<br>>>> lifted a rather difficult subject. The answers suggested were and
<br>>>> remain an excellent teaching tool.<br>>>><br>>>> Are there any others who feel this way?<br>>>><br>>>> Maggie<br>>>><br>>>> -----Original Message-----
<br>>>> From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> on behalf of Brett Davies<br>>>> Sent: Mon 2/5/2007 5:11 PM
<br>>>> To: <a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
itapps@edulists.com.au</a><br>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Lecture Notes<br>>>><br>>>> How ridiculous!<br>>>><br>>>> Those notes, post mortems and everything else you contribute have been
<br>>>> extremely valuable to my students and will be sorely missed. Does VCAA<br>>>> propose to replace this with something just as useful?..... or have<br>>>> they offerred no alternative just a no!
<br>>>><br>>>> If this was not educational use what was it?<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
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<br>>>> Apologies for cross-posts.<br>>>><br>>>> At the insistence of the Copyright Officer at the VCAA I have removed<br>>>> all of their copyrighted material from the IT Lecture Notes site,
<br>>>> including all of the exam post mortems, the course summaries, and the<br>>>> annotated glossary.<br>>>><br>>>> They tell me 'this is not considered an "educational use".'
<br>>>><br>>>> I can't be bothered arguing with the VCAA lawyers about how many words<br>>>> I'm allowed to quote, so there are probably not going to be any more IT<br>>>> post mortems.
<br>>>><br>>>> I'm just going to go away and mumble a lot now.<br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> Mark Kelly<br>>>> Manager - Information Systems<br>>>> McKinnon Secondary College
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