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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I agree totally - as a new teacher of IPM 3 yrs ago,=
mark's material was invaluable</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>there must be a simple solution to our problem, like=
a
password protected moodle, that will abide by the law</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>andrew grimshaw </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>colac college</FONT></DIV>
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:</B>
<A title=3Dbane.janet.a@edumail.vic.gov.au
href=3D"mailto:bane.janet.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">Bane, Janet A</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Ditapps@edulists.com.=
au
href=3D"mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' M=
ailing
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 07, 2007=
12:59
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT L=
ecture
Notes</DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I think its kin=
d of ironic
really, the emphasis in the new study design is all about collaborative
sharing of knowledge and resources. Sad that they can't practice wha=
t
they preach. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would be good if EVERYO=
NE who
subscribes to this list showed their support of mark's fantastic work over=
the
years. I for one am truly greatful for all the great resources he ha=
s
put together, including the "illegal" post mortem.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Keep up the good work</FONT></D=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Janet Bane</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Patterson Rive SC</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au o=
n behalf
of margaret.lawson@konstantkaos.net<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tue 06-Feb-07 4:32
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Lecture
Notes<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2>I am just catching up with this thread ... what can I sa=
y -
absolute<BR>bullshit.<BR><BR>We use the technology to COLLABORATE and to
enrich the learning of the<BR>collective group, and the reward is a slap i=
n
the face.<BR><BR>Does this "copyright" decision have ramifications for any=
one
presenting at<BR>conferences or PD events?<BR><BR>Mark, a big thankyou fro=
m
the IT Teaching community, your efforts have<BR>been appreciated by teache=
rs
and students alike.<BR><BR>Grrr<BR><BR>Margaret<BR><BR><BR>> "Tis a sad=
day. I enjoyed your post mortems Mark.<BR>><BR>>
Regards<BR>><BR>> Caroline Thomas<BR>><BR>> Baimbridge College=
,
Hamilton<BR>> 85 Stephen Street<BR>> HAMILTON VIC 3300<BR>>=
Ph
03 5572 2788<BR>> Fax 03 5572 5811<BR>><BR>>
________________________________<BR>><BR>> From:
itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Mark Kelly<BR>> Sent: Mon
05-February-2007 9:30 AM<BR>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mai=
ling
List<BR>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Lecture
Notes<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I'm staying out of it for the time
being.<BR>><BR>> It's the decision of VCAA's copyright officer, Rene=
e
Brierley, and Paula.<BR>><BR>> What I'll have to do is put the
copyrighted stuff (exam questions, key<BR>> knowledge & skills,
glossary) on our extranet so the only people who can<BR>> reach those b=
its
will be McKinnon students. Sigh.<BR>><BR>> Kevork Krozian
wrote:<BR>>> Hi Folks,<BR>>><BR>>> I feel a little confu=
sed
here and perhaps Mark can shed more light on<BR>>>
it.<BR>>><BR>>> Mark can't publish his discussion of the quest=
ions
because it is<BR>>> copyright means what ?<BR>>><BR>>> .=
.
that the questions are owned by the VCAA and to mention them is<BR>>>=
;
breach of intellectual property even though you are teaching the
subject<BR>>> and obviously need to discuss it with your students an=
d
colleagues ?<BR>>> .. that it does not qualify for an exemptio=
n on
the grounds that it is<BR>>> not educational ???? What does that mea=
n ?
How much more educational<BR>>> does it have to be if not to discuss=
how
Yr 12 students would be<BR>>> reasonably expected to answer the
questions based on what is in the<BR>>> study design
?<BR>>><BR>>> I am rather confused. Mark if you ar=
e
reading this please help us all<BR>>> understand the answers to thes=
e
questions.<BR>>> Perhaps Paula can help us find some of these answer=
s
too .<BR>>><BR>>> Yours in sadness<BR>>><BR>>> Kev=
ork
Krozian<BR>>> Mailing List Creator and Administrator<BR>>>
kevork@edulists.com.au<BR>>> www.edulists.com.au<BR>>> Tel: 04=
19
356 034<BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie
Iaquinto"<BR>>> <IAQUIM@bialik.vic.edu.au><BR>>> To: "Ye=
ar
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"<BR>>>
<itapps@edulists.com.au><BR>>> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007=
5:26 PM<BR>>> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Lecture
Notes<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>> I agree! The Post Mortem was=
SO
valuable. And your sense of humour<BR>>>> lifted a rather difficu=
lt
subject. The answers suggested were and<BR>>>> remain an excellen=
t
teaching tool.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Are there any others who fe=
el
this way?<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Maggie<BR>>>><BR>>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>>> From: itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behal=
f of
Brett Davies<BR>>>> Sent: Mon 2/5/2007 5:11 PM<BR>>>> To=
:
itapps@edulists.com.au<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT
Lecture Notes<BR>>>><BR>>>> How
ridiculous!<BR>>>><BR>>>> Those notes, post mortems and=
everything else you contribute have been<BR>>>> extremely valuabl=
e to
my students and will be sorely missed. Does VCAA<BR>>>> propose t=
o
replace this with something just as useful?..... or have<BR>>>> t=
hey
offerred no alternative just a no!<BR>>>><BR>>>> If this=
was
not educational use what was
it?<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>
kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au >>><BR>>>> Apologies for=
cross-posts.<BR>>>><BR>>>> At the insistence of the
Copyright Officer at the VCAA I have removed<BR>>>> all of their=
copyrighted material from the IT Lecture Notes site,<BR>>>> inclu=
ding
all of the exam post mortems, the course summaries, and the<BR>>>>=
;
annotated glossary.<BR>>>><BR>>>> They tell me 'this is=
not
considered an "educational use".'<BR>>>><BR>>>> I can't=
be
bothered arguing with the VCAA lawyers about how many words<BR>>>>=
;
I'm allowed to quote, so there are probably not going to be any more
IT<BR>>>> post mortems.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I'm just=
going to go away and mumble a lot now.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
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