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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi IPM ( soon to be itapps)
colleagues,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Well you have done it. In Nov 2006 you posted
435 messages ( about 15 per day ) overtaking the previous record of 424 (Aug
2006) set by the Business Managers' mailing list. Remember they are at their
desks/computers almost the whole working day and your working day is a
different arrangement. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I hope the interaction was useful as we enter
a new dawn ..... not meaning to be too dramatic.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>While I have your attention. In the next
little while the ipm mailing list will be retired and all subscribers will be
moved to the new list <A
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">itapps@edulists.com.au</A> . You do
not need to do anything. A message will go out when the changeover ( will it be
direct, phased, pilot or parallel ???? -- just kidding !
) takes place. Just keep replying to the list. For a
while both <A href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au">ipm@edulists.com.au</A> and <A
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">itapps@edulists.com.au</A> will go to the
same place after which <A
href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au">ipm@edulists.com.au</A> will no
longer exist ........ :( teary eyed ..... I believe it is
the first name change for IPM since 1990, though I am happy to be corrected if
that is wrong.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A similar announcement will go out to the <A
href="mailto:is@edulists.com.au">is@edulists.com.au</A> list which
will convert to <A
href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</A> .</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The twig on the edulists tree showing ipm will gradually shrink and be
overtaken by the itapps twig and similarly the is twig will give way to the
sofdev one. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyone care to make a speech on the cusp of this momentous occasion or are
we too busy stressing out about next year ? I am not sure about
everyone else but I will have sofdev, yr11it and VET IT which will
all be new next year ( I will also teach Cisco CCNA 1-2 and Cisco CCNA 3-4
).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>With thanks and Best Wishes to all of you</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Kevork Krozian<BR>Mailing List Creator and Administrator<BR><A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rgesthuizen@gmail.com href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">Roland
Gesthuizen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ipm@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au">Year 12 Information Technology Processing
and Management Teachers'Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 01, 2006 8:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual
Teams</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>G'day Keith, my virtual shoes are ringing (or is it my music
player). Yesterday my memory laces come loose with too many unanswered SMS
pages and I had to reboot the soles. Enjoy the attached creative writing
essay by one of my IPM students from four years ago. <BR><BR>(* Clicks heels
of his red shoes three times, shouting there is no place like school, there is
no place like school ... *) Apologies to Dorothy and Toto.<BR><BR>Regards
Roland <BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 01/12/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Keith
Richardson</B> <<A
href="mailto:keithcr@fastmail.fm">keithcr@fastmail.fm</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">G'day
Scotty - suggestion - just timetable virtual classes with
virtual<BR>teachers in virtual spaces then the kids stay at home, the
teachers stay<BR>in the staffroom (to be close to the coffee machines), and
the school<BR>puts extra Moodle servers into the empty classrooms. Time
becomes<BR>immaterial because classes may be held either synchronously (if
you were<BR>able to put them together in the timetable, and
asynchronistically at<BR>other times. It sounds so good, I might just give
it a try (joking...). <BR>Cheers, Keith<BR><BR><BR>On Fri, 1 Dec 2006
07:26:21 +1100, "Mark Scott"<BR><<A
href="mailto:msc@staff.luther.vic.edu.au">msc@staff.luther.vic.edu.au</A>>
said:<BR>> Keith<BR>><BR>> You sound so progressive and dynamic
that it is depressing, especially <BR>> when I am knee deep in the mire
trying to build a 2007 timetable and<BR>> haven't looked at the study
design yet.<BR>><BR>> (Pls excuse the whinge)<BR>> Mark
Scott<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>
[mailto:<A
href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>]<BR>>
On Behalf Of Keith Richardson<BR>> Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 6:20 AM
<BR>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and
Management<BR>> Teachers'Mailing List<BR>> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM]
U3O2 Virtual Teams<BR>><BR>> Thank you Mark and Paula - although I
don't like it, I can see where you <BR>> are coming from.<BR>> I
personally do not like it because having to 'fake-it' rarely leaves
me<BR>> or the kids satisfied - it seems like science experiments of old
where<BR>> we tell the kids what 'should' have happened even though their
eyes and <BR>> ears tell them that it did not.<BR>> I guess that as
long as we expose them to actually functioning tools<BR>> albeit not in
their actual SAC, they can become intuitively confident<BR>> that such
functionality does really exist. In the past I have <BR>> experienced
similar frustrations with wanting to have functioning<BR>> databases
behind websites.<BR>> However, for myself I intend trying as hard as
possible to achieve<BR>> genuine functionality of appropriate
virtual-team-tools within their SAC <BR>> situation. Time will
tell!<BR>> Keith<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:29:14
+1100, "Christophersen, Paula P"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:christophersen.paula.p@edumail.vic.gov.au">christophersen.paula.p@edumail.vic.gov.au
</A>> said:<BR>> > Mark and colleagues<BR>> ><BR>> >
This last interpretation of the outcome (and task requirements) and<BR>>
> advice about teaching and learning and assessment are timely
and<BR>> > correct.<BR>> ><BR>> > Regards<BR>> >
Paula<BR>> ><BR>> > Paula Christophersen<BR>> > ICT
Curriculum Manager<BR>> > Victorian Curriculum and Assessment<BR>>
> Authority <BR>> > 41 St Andrews Place<BR>> > EAST MELBOURNE
3002<BR>> > Phone: 03 9651 4378<BR>> > Fax: 03 9651 4324<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From:
<A href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>
[mailto:<A
href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>]<BR>>
> On Behalf Of Mark Kelly<BR>> > Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006
8:21 AM<BR>> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and
Management <BR>> > Teachers'Mailing List<BR>> > Subject: Re:
[Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams<BR>> ><BR>> > Key things to
remember abuout ITA U3O2, as I understand it...<BR>> ><BR>> > -
Knowledge sharing is part of it, but the solution must also <BR>>
facilitate<BR>> ><BR>> > team decision-making. (So a
static website with info on it - as in<BR>> the<BR>> > Potts
example - is not good.)<BR>> ><BR>> > - Features that can't be
realistically created for real can be <BR>> > simulated. e.g. Create a
web forum lookalike screen in Photoshop; fake<BR>> a<BR>> ><BR>>
> web-shopping checkout or online feedback form, or a networked
calendar<BR>> > or booking sheet with graphics buttons and the
like. Since it's a <BR>> > prototype website, such parts do
not need to actually work. So the<BR>> kids<BR>>
><BR>> > don't need to actually set up a Miki or a Woogle, they
just have to<BR>> > indicate that they know it would help the team
share info / make <BR>> > collaborative decisions.<BR>>
><BR>> > - So by all means introduce kids to relevant tools, but
don't freak<BR>> > yourself out unnecessarily about having to use them
in the outcome.<BR>> > <BR>> > As I understand it...<BR>>
><BR>> > Mark<BR>> ><BR>> > Keith Richardson
wrote:<BR>> > > I am also very confused by this Geraldine - I am
almost tempted to<BR>> try<BR>> > > to do it in two parts - one
with website creation, and one using our <BR>> > > Moodle in the
school setting them the task to design then create<BR>> >
various<BR>> > > cooperative, virtual team tools and be able to
demonstrate that they<BR>> > > actually work. I have not planned
more deeply than that yet. <BR>> > > What do others think?<BR>>
> > Keith<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:23:11 +1100,
"Geraldine McKenna"<BR>> > > <<A
href="mailto:gmckenna@ozemail.com.au">gmckenna@ozemail.com.au</A>>
said:<BR>> > >> I still feel quite unclear about what is
expected in this outcome.<BR>> > Would<BR>> > >> a
<BR>> > >> link to the Google Docs site mentioned recently
suffice or a link<BR>> to<BR>> > a<BR>> > >> Moodle
wiki for sharing knowledge or a blog? Given that we need to<BR>> >
use<BR>> > >> web<BR>> > >> authoring software -
Dreamweaver in my case - I can only imagine<BR>> > creating<BR>>
> >> links to other tools rather than actually creating the
knowledge<BR>> > sharing<BR>> > >> capability within the
website. Can anyone give more specific<BR>> examples<BR>> >
of<BR>> > >> how<BR>> > >> they imagine this
prototype website will look? <BR>> > >> Geraldine
McKenna<BR>> > >> Avila College<BR>> > >><BR>>
> >> Thanks also for feedback re VET Multimedia. Seems it may not
be a<BR>> > more<BR>> > >> attractive option for girls?
<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> > >> From: <A
href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</A><BR>>
> [mailto:<A href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">
ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>]On<BR>> > >> Behalf Of
Christophersen, Paula P<BR>> > >> Sent: Friday, November 24,
2006 8:33 AM<BR>> > >> To: Year 12 Information Technology
Processing and Management <BR>> > >>
Teachers'MailingList<BR>> > >> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2
Virtual Teams<BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> >
>> Dear colleagues<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> It's
great to hear this healthy discussion regarding Unit 3, <BR>>
Outcome<BR>> > 2.<BR>> > >> I just want to stress that
when students independently develop<BR>> their<BR>> > >>
prototype website, it is OK just to simulate practices/tools rather <BR>>
> than<BR>> > >> creating/using them. The main intention of
this part of the outcome<BR>> > is<BR>> > >> for students
to demonstrate their understanding of tools/facilities<BR>> > >>
available to support knowledge sharing and collaborative <BR>> >
>> decision-making.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> So,
when completing this assessment task, students would design the<BR>> >
>> website, create the homepage and create/simulate that part of the
<BR>> > >> website that supports knowledge sharing and
collaborative decision<BR>> > >> making. Then, comes the theory
part on networking.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >>
Regards<BR>> > >> Paula <BR>> > >><BR>> >
>> Paula Christophersen<BR>> > >> ICT Curriculum
Manager<BR>> > >> Victorian Curriculum and Assessment<BR>>
> >> Authority<BR>> > >> 41 St Andrews Place <BR>>
> >> EAST MELBOURNE 3002<BR>> > >> Phone: 03 9651
4378<BR>> > >> Fax: 03 9651 4324<BR>> > >><BR>>
> >><BR>> > >> -----Original Message-----<BR>> >
>> From: <A
href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</A><BR>>
> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>]<BR>>
> >> On Behalf Of Cameron Bell <BR>> > >> Sent: Friday,
24 November 2006 8:05 AM<BR>> > >> To: Year 12 Information
Technology Processing and Management<BR>> > >> Teachers'Mailing
List<BR>> > >> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> Likewise. I am wondering about
setting up a Jabber server for such<BR>> a<BR>> > >> purpose.
Simply to reduce external traffic costs and bandwidth and<BR>> > keep
<BR>> > >> it fully internal and "safer" for students. Has
anyone done this<BR>> yet?<BR>> > >> Would be interested in
feedback.<BR>> > >> Cameron<BR>> > >><BR>> >
>> Keith Richardson wrote:<BR>> > >>> Skype has enabled
some of the virtual teams I work in to be fast,<BR>> > >>>
efficient and effective, but it is real-time. One also needs <BR>> >
>>> a-synchronous tools too.<BR>> > >>>
Keith<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>><BR>> >
>>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:30:47 +1100, "Mark Kelly"<BR>> >
>>> <<A
href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</A>>
said:<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>>> Yes, but is
email a complete solution? It's certainly relevant <BR>>
and<BR>> > >>>> important, but can it achieve everything a
virtual team needs?<BR>> > >>>><BR>> >
>>>> I ask myself (as 3:30 comes and I have to drag myself to a
<BR>> > curriculum<BR>> > >>>> meeting) why I'm
dragging myself to a meeting. Why couldn't it<BR>> be<BR>>
> >> done<BR>> > >>>> by email? If you
can work that out, you may start to see where <BR>> > >>
email's<BR>> > >>>> limitations begin.<BR>> >
>>>><BR>> > >>>> 2.2 cents' worth (GST
inc)<BR>> > >>>><BR>> > >>>> Off to
curriculum. VELS again. <BR>> > >>>><BR>>
> >>>> Sigh........<BR>> > >>>><BR>>
> >>>><BR>> > >>>> <A
href="mailto:jtabone@aitkencollege.edu.au">jtabone@aitkencollege.edu.au
</A>wrote:<BR>> > >>>><BR>> > >>>>>
Dear All<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
I am reading with interest everyone's comments on U302 -<BR>> >
>>>>> collaborative problem solving within virtual teams and
am <BR>> > wondering<BR>> > >>>>> if I may be
over-simplifying this outcome task<BR>> > >>>>><BR>>
> >>>>> Going by the detailed example in the study design
p. 69-70 we <BR>> are<BR>> > >>>>> given the
scenario of university located on one<BR>> > >>>>>
"large campus", whereby management has recently formed as one of<BR>>
> >>>>> their key objectives to "strengthen current
strategic <BR>> > collaborations<BR>> > >>>>> and
forge new alliances that will create new knowledge ..."<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> The task is
then:<BR>> > >>>>> <BR>> > >>>>>
"design and create a prototype website for Sherwood University<BR>> >
that<BR>> > >>>>> will enable various virtual teams ...
to realise their goals and<BR>> > to<BR>> > >>>>>
enhance decision making, knowledge sharing and collaborative<BR>> >
problem<BR>> > >>>>> solving"<BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> Couldn't simply
having an email link solve this problem - yes <BR>> you<BR>> >
>>>>> would use wikis, blogs, forums, webcasts, and every
other "sexy"<BR>> > >>>>> tool<BR>> >
>>>>> - however I can communicate virtually via email to
people with <BR>> the<BR>> > >>>>> same interest
(teams)<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
Really, isn't that what I am doing right now - sending an email<BR>>
to<BR>> > a <BR>> > >>>>> group of people with a
common interest and goal and sharing<BR>> > >>>>>
information and receiving information in a collaborative<BR>> >
environment<BR>> > >>>>> <BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>> Just my
thoughts<BR>> > >>>>><BR>> > >>>>>
Cheers<BR>> > >>>>> Joyce Tabone<BR>> >
>>>>> Aitken College <BR>> >
>>>>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>> >
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