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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D941091520-14112006>As Dicken's not=
ed, the
law has always been an ass.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D941091520-14112006>When you sit do=
wn to
Monopoly you sometimes renegotiate a rule or two by mutual agreement, but mo=
st
of the rules are set by the manufacturer.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D941091520-14112006>Society is a bi=
t like
that - we didn't get to make the vast complex web of rules that govern us, w=
e
just get to tinker democratically with a few things at the edge while the
manufacturers continue to make most of the important decisions. Most
people just ignore the rules that they do not agree with and hope that they=
do
not get caught..... unfortunately, as with drug laws, if there is a
significant minority that does not agree with the law, these people begin to=
collect to gether and separate from the mainstream in many other ways creati=
ng
what we often call a "subculture". Thus the drug subcultures, the peer=
to
peer subcultures etc. that danger for society is that many other
influences and opportunists also work within these subcultures and the outco=
mes
are often unpredictable and socially divisive and damaging(e.g. crime, lack=
of
compliance and trust of police etc, lack of regard for other laws
etc).</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D941091520-14112006>Thus the need t=
o work to
oppose laws that are flouted openly (and has socially accepted) OR to change=
the
social acceptance (as has been done in my generation with drink
driving).</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D941091520-14112006>I think that th=
e possibly
of changing the social acceptance of music sharing is very unlikely..... sou=
nds
more like alcohol prohibition than drink driving.</SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Roland
Gesthuizen<BR><B>Sent:</B> 14 November 2006 11:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12
Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IPM] music copyright<BR></FONT><BR></DI=
V>
<DIV></DIV><A
href=3D"http://www.theage.com.au/news/phones--pdas/soon-recordings-will-be-a=
-crime/2006/11/14/1163266532880.html">An
Age newspaper report </A>has briefly discussed some of the changes to Austra=
lian
copyright legislation. Police would be able to go to a market, find people
selling pirated CDs and issue fines on the spot. Internet Industry
Association has stated that these changes have gone too far and activities t=
hat
could attract fines include playing a radio in the park or even recording a=
group of students singing a song then sharing it online. It is an interestin=
g
issue that can be discussed in the classroom.<BR><BR>You need written permis=
sion
from <A href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner">Time Warner</A> to=
sing
Happy Birthday, the copyright will <A
href=3D"http://plakboek.livejournal.com/55478.html">expire in 2030</A> and i=
f I am
correct, there will be no fair-use provisions in the legislation as it is
currently drafted. Singing Happy Birthday at a restaurant, a party or any
gathering is considered to be a public performance, even humming the tu=
ne
will become a criminal offense.<BR><BR>When you sing Happy Birthday, close a=
ll
the curtains and darken the room except perhaps for the light from a candle.=
Wear masks and hats to protect your identity, perhaps helium to disguise you=
r
voice. Making humorous additions and satirical modifications to the lyrics m=
ay
provide further legal protection from prosecution. Of course it is best to n=
ot
take the risk and enforce the singing public domain folk tunes and birthday=
melodies such as <A href=3D"http://ingeb.org/">German volksleiders, hymns or=
gospel</A> in your classrooms. <BR><BR>Perhaps it would be best if we all ag=
ree
kept our mouths firmly shut? <BR><BR>Regards Roland<BR><BR>PS: My saxophone=
playing isnt great so perhaps nobody would recognise the tune .. <BR><BR><BR=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3Dgmail_quote>On 05/11/06, <B class=3Dgmail_sendername>Jeff=
rey
Lynn</B> <<A
href=3D"mailto:jslynn@optusnet.com.au">jslynn@optusnet.com.au</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,=
204,204) 1px solid">The
copyright issue is legally quite clear: you can make one copy of a<BR>comp=
uter
program disk (CD or DVD) for backup purposes but it is illegal to<BR>copy=
music CDs or DVDs for any purpose. Technically, the copies of CDs I <BR>ha=
ve
in my car so I don't damage or lose my originals are quite illegal. As<BR>=
I
have discussed with my students (and as Mark says), there is no logic
to<BR>this, just law. However, the chances of my being prosecuted for havi=
ng
such <BR>copies are fairly remote - as the copies are not for resale,
redistribution,<BR>or profit, the law is not too interested in wasting tim=
e
and money<BR>prosecuting. The real villains they are after are pirates
churning out <BR>illegal copies for sale and profit. That does not alter t=
he
fact that my<BR>copies ARE illegal!<BR><BR>Note too that the copyright law=
s
are in the process of being changed and are<BR>expected to be enacted in
2007.<BR><BR>Jeff Lynn,<BR>Yeshivah/Beth Rivkah
Colleges<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
href=3D"mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</A=
>
[mailto:<A href=3D"mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">
ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] On<BR>Behalf Of Mark Kelly<BR>Sent: Sunda=
y, 5
November 2006 17:45<BR>To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and
Management<BR>Teachers'Mailing List<BR>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] music
copyright <BR><BR>Nick Axaris wrote:<BR>> I was always under the
understanding that you can make a copy of a music<BR>CD for backup purpose=
s
and not to share or sell it.<BR>> There should be no issue copying a so=
ng
for the purpose of a presentation <BR>as the student is not profiting or
sharing that song with anyone else.<BR>> When the presentation is over=
then
the network manager can delete it from<BR>the network.<BR>> Whilst on t=
he
network just ensure that it is only accesible by the <BR>student.<BR><BR>W=
hat
is legal and what is logical is - as usual - mutually
exclusive.<BR><BR>--<BR>Mark Kelly<BR>McKinnon Secondary
College<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR><A
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VITTA
Victorian Information Technology Teachers<BR>Association
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VITTA
Victorian Information Technology Teachers Association
Inc<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=3Dall><BR>-- <BR>Roland Gesthuizen -=
ICT
Coordinator - Westall Secondary College <BR><A
href=3D"http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au">http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au</A>=
<BR><BR>"Never
doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the wo=
rld;
indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead
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