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<DIV>I agree with this comment. In fact I have found this to be a real issue. I posted on this the day the progression points came out with noe comment from anyone. I was beginning to think it was just me.</DIV>
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<DIV>I find the progression points are written in a very non relatable fashion. I was hoping that the progression points would give us more clarity with ref to VELs but instead I find more confusion.</DIV>
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<DIV>If this part of the VELs is left up to ALL the faculties to (referring to the post earlier today about "whose job it is to do this if there is no ICT in year 7-8) sort out and to satisfy, we are up the creek with out the proverbial... I find the progression points very daunting to read, how is a maths, or english or LOTE (they may have more of a chance as they understand french... :-)</DIV>
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<DIV>I'm desperate for some guidance on this stuff. I have 6 faculties and 20 people after me looking for clarification on these issues.</DIV>
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<DIV>regards</DIV>
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<DIV>Brendyn</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Brendyn Hancock</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=1>IT Manager</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>Nagle College</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and not necessarily those of Nagle College, Bairnsdale. </FONT></P></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>>>> rattan.kushum.l@edumail.vic.gov.au 08/11/2006 12:39 pm >>><BR>Hi<BR>On the topic of ICT Progression Points it would really help if we were<BR>given a list of appropriate software tools same as VCE Study.<BR><BR>I am having difficulty working out what a dynamic modelling tool is in<BR>relation to Level 5- Progression 5.25 " a use of nominated dynamic<BR>modelling tools and manipulation and editing techniques to describe the<BR>relationships between ideas"<BR><BR>Kushum Rattan<BR><BR>Information Technology Co-ordinator<BR><BR>Gisborne Secondary College<BR><BR>(03) 54 283 691<BR><BR>PO Box 57 Gisborne, 3437<BR><BR>rattan.kushum.l@edumail.vic.gov.au<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au]<BR>On Behalf Of brn@brentwood.vic.edu.au<BR>Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 11:43 AM<BR>To: ipm@edulists.com.au<BR>Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] ICT Progression Points<BR><BR>The 'English teacher' was meant to be an example only. Sorry for any<BR>misunderstanding.<BR><BR>brn@brentwood.vic.edu.au on Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:35:22 +1100 wrote:<BR>> Thanks for the answer Paula. But it raises another question: who<BR>determines if the student has demonstrated 'the ICT standards in other<BR>areas of learning' and at which levels? At our school, there is only<BR>one English teacher who could do this effectively.<BR>> Alda.<BR>><BR>> "Christophersen, Paula P" <christophersen.paula.p@edumail.vic.gov.au><BR>on Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:49:19 +1100 wrote:<BR>> > Hi Litsa<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Good questions you ask - here is a short response. If you wish to<BR>> > discuss things further, please do not hesitate to give me a ring.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Let's start at the beginning. Firstly, government schools do not<BR>have to<BR>> > report on ICT until next year (only English and Maths are required<BR>this<BR>> > year). I'm not certain what stance the CEO has taken on this matter<BR>> > regarding the phasing in of the VELS.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Secondly, it is intended, that regardless of where students acquire<BR>> > their ICT skills, they use their ICT knowledge and skills within<BR>their<BR>> > other areas of learning. So, even if you don't have 'dedicated IT<BR>> > classes', students would still be expected to demonstrate the ICT<BR>> > standards in other areas of learning. This means that individual<BR>> > teachers take responsibility to providing learning programs that<BR>cover<BR>> > not only their discipline domain but also ICT. As you suggested,<BR>this<BR>> > means integrating these ICT knowledge and skills into the other<BR>learning<BR>> > and assessment programs.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > The progression points assist teachers in making judgments about how<BR>> > their students are progressing against the standards. There are only<BR>a<BR>> > few examples of evidence that you would typically see at each of the<BR>> > progression points, so they are illustrative only - your school<BR>would<BR>> > need to develop their own sets of evidence to match the aspects of<BR>the<BR>> > standards that are being addressed in your learning program. Of<BR>course,<BR>> > some of the published progression points may suit your course - if<BR>there<BR>> > aren't any, they provide a good basis upon which you can develop<BR>your<BR>> > own.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Hope this helps.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Regards<BR>> ><BR>> > Paula<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Paula Christophersen<BR>> ><BR>> > ICT Curriculum Manager<BR>> ><BR>> > Victorian Curriculum and Assessment<BR>> ><BR>> > Authority<BR>> ><BR>> > 41 St Andrews Place<BR>> ><BR>> > EAST MELBOURNE 3002<BR>> ><BR>> > Phone: 03 9651 4378<BR>> ><BR>> > Fax: 03 9651 4324<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au<BR>[mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au]<BR>> > On Behalf Of Litsa Tzelepis<BR>> > Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 9:15 AM<BR>> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management<BR>> > Teachers'Mailing List<BR>> > Subject: [Year 12 IPM] ICT Progression Points<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Good morning Paula,<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > If possible, can you please help me with a query?<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > If we do not teach IT at Years 7 & 8, how do we report back on the<BR>ICT<BR>> > Progression Points?<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Do we integrate them into the other Domains that cover certain<BR>points?<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Sorry if this has been answered somewhere before.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Thank-you for your tiem, Litsa Tzelepis.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe<BR>> > IPM Mailing List kindly supported by<BR>> > http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment<BR>> > Authority and<BR>> > http://www.vitta.org.au - VITTA Victorian Information Technology<BR>> > Teachers Association Inc<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > --<BR>> > This message has been scanned for viruses and<BR>> > dangerous content by MailScanner <http://www.mailscanner.info/> ,<BR>and is<BR>> ><BR>> > believed to be clean.<BR>> ><BR>> > Important -<BR>> > This email and any attachments may be confidential. 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