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I seem to remember reading some research that stated it takes about 5
years to bring about change in industry but 8 years to get it in
education.<br>
Anyone know the source?<br>
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Charmaine Taylor<br>
Sunbury Downs<br>
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Murray O. wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Mark
I disagree with you.
Based on my experience, I think teachers are highly adaptable to change
be planned or unplanned. That being said I too get frustrated at trying
to facilitate change in schools.
Can you tell of other professions or groups of adults that change
quickly?
Regards,
Oliver Murray
Web Developer
Westbourne Grammar School
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.westbournegrammar.com">www.westbournegrammar.com</a>
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We are talking teachers.
This is a species renown for not changing quickly.
Mark
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The big mistake people continue to make is seeing technology as the
catalyst for sustainable change in education when it should be people.
Technology is invaluable whatever its peculiarities but learner
centered means people at the center.
John
On 05/09/2006, at 3:41 PM, Mark Scott wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I have said it before and no doubt I will say it again.
The biggest advantage in introducing student owned laptops into a
school
is that it can be used as a catalyst for change.
You can start to talk about learner centred classrooms instead of
teacher centred ones.
... and of course this is not the only strategy you try, just one of
several.
Mark Scott
Luther College
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<pre wrap="">Laurie Savage<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au"><sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au></a> 09/05/06 12:07pm >>>
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<pre wrap="">And now we have a generation of people who cannot do the simplest
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<pre wrap="">calculation in their head.
Laurie
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<pre wrap="">They said the same thing about calculators back in the early
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<pre wrap="">seventies.
Ah generalisations, you've got to love them... 8^)
I would argue that with the use of calculators, you don't need to do
the
simplest calculation in your head. However, it requires a different
skill set to check that your calculator is giving you an accurate
answer
rather than no skill set at all, hence the higher emphasis on
estimation
that occurs in teaching maths now than when I was at school. Tempora
mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis...
I would also argue that those kids I know of who have trouble
performing
the simplest calculation aren't all that flash on using the calculator
either. I would suggest that a greater cause is lack of interest for
whatever reason from boring teaching methods in previous years showing
the kids how irrelevant maths is to lack of support at home for doing
homework and school in general. Now there's a can of worms or three...
Although I don't think laptops are a cure for all ills, I suspect that
under some circumstances they can be a useful tool in the hands of the
right practitioner, and in others are a complete waste of time when
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<pre wrap="">circumstances of the school and students are taken into account. To
give
some examples, I am sure that in some laptop schools, the laptops are
an
expensive pseudo notebook / electronic textbook whose primary
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<pre wrap="">is larger capacity, neater handwriting (typing vs scribble) and better
searchability. Obviously Mark's school is not one of them based on his
response. That's not to say schools with poor use of laptops don't
exist, and anecdotal evidence would suggest that they do. On the other
hand, the same applies to schools who have changed their teaching to
make good use of new teaching methods available from every student
having the tool and having been taught a proficiency with it.
On the other hand, I would suspect that there would be scenarios where
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<pre wrap="">a
$2000 laptop would be a poor use of family or school resources for the
perceived benefits compared to alternatives. Would a struggling
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<pre wrap="">suburbs secondary school be able to justify making every student buy a
laptop, even on finance? Would alternative approaches such as good use
of Moodle with external access be more appropriate in terms of bang
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<pre wrap="">buck?
I would suggest that neither black nor white are correct and that
although there is a place for laptops in schools, it would be silly to
try and suggest that it would be desirable for every school in the
state
and every student in the state to have a laptop and be in a laptop
program. Or to suggest that every maths student in the state can't do
simple calculations in their head...
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