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color=#0000ff size=2>Dear Janet, Theresa and all,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I have been following this thread with interest. I have
discussed the issue of Photostory with one of my techs here. We use photostory V
3. There are absolutely no issues with its deployment and use. It's just another
MS program that does not require any special rights.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The issue in the 'Big Picture' is who's calling the shots
here! Is the ICT supporting the delivery of curriculum or is the curriculum
being adjusted to work around the demands of the techs. This is a gernalisation
I know, but having been in the 'business' of ICT delivery since HSC Group 1
Computer Science (remember that), I reckon it's about that simple. Techies have
their own agenda and own ways of looking at ICT delivery in schools, and their
views are important and need to be considers, BUT, curriculum is our core
business, and there better be an overwhelming inarguable reason for the ICT not
to support it fully. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>You need to have decision making processes, protocols and
policies in place that make this happen in a proper manner. If not the
techs will pull the 'wool over your eyes', in the nicest possible ways to suit
their agenda, which is not an educational one.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Inlist the support of your heavies in the
school.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>My two bob's worth....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Kind regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Lance</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=940480600-08052006>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lance Gibbens</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Head
of Teaching and Learning</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Flinders Christian
Community College</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>P.O. Box 45, TYABB,
3913</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ph. 59732013 Mob 0419548036</FONT>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bane, Janet
A<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 8 May 2006 9:55 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 Information
Technology Processing and Management Teachers'Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [Year 12 IPM] Staffing for IT Support/Technician Team<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Hi Therese</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>At our school I have experienced similar
problems - obviously network security is important but at what cost? Do
we have to "lock down" students so tightly that they can't get the full value
out of the many and varied software options out there?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>At the moment I am having
issues with Photostory - a fairly innocuous program, I would have
thought. Our technician has loaded it onto one of our labs (reluctantly)
however it's not working at the moment because he says kids have to have
administrator's rights to operate it. Have other schools had this
problem, and if so, how have they worked around it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Janet Bane</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Patterson River SC</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>p.s. I don't want this to turn into
a "technician-bashing session!"</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of
Therese Keane<BR><B>Sent:</B> Mon 08-May-06 8:25 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12
Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'MailingList<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IPM] Staffing for IT
Support/Technician Team<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=214310222-07052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Hello Lesley</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN
class=214310222-07052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2>I read your response with immense interest. I have a real issue
with too much security in schools. When security is so tight, the ability to
do everyday tasks can become very tedious. Whilst I understand the need for
security, I also feel that if it is too strict, it starts to attract criticism
from the users when normal tasks are restricted.<SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=214310222-07052006>In one school I worked at, students were
not able to right mouse click and copy pictures from the Internet. Even some
of the menus from Internet Explorer were disabled. Another example was
the disabling of USB ports on all
computers. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=214310222-07052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I have worked
in schools where network policies are so strict that it renders the computers
almost useless. Surely </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=214310222-07052006><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>there needs to be a balance of allowing users
the ability to do normal tasks without having to go to the Network
administrator each time you need a particular ban
lifted?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=214310222-07052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>In terms of your last comment that "boys are destructive"
- I have worked in boys schools, and I would have to disagree with your
comment. I experienced very little vandalism in my time. I had the
occasion CD ROM broken from time to time, but it might have been two or
three in the entire year. I never had issues with hacking and the
students treated the technology with respect. There was a genuine interest in
the technology and infrastructure from the students. Now that I work in a
girls' school, girls' in general do not talk to me or the
technicians about technology or infrastructure. Does this mean they are less
interested? Does been less interested in technology mean they are less
destructive? Or are they two separate and unrelated
issues....?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=214310222-07052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=214310222-07052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Therese Keane</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=214310222-07052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Director of ICT</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=214310222-07052006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Genazzano FCJ College</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Lesley
Humphries<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 6 May 2006 11:12 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12
Information Technology Processing and ManagementTeachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IPM] Staffing for IT Support/Technician
Team<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi Lucy,<BR><BR>At Santa Maria College, we are lucky to have a very
good non-teaching technician who has a degree in IT. He does just about
everything, from networking, security, physical repairs, purchasing, software
evaluation and staff and student support... he's great. We recently decided to
put on an IT trainee (he works full time, but gets paid to go to TAFE one day
a week, or less). He is also great value. The only time we get outside support
is when we extend the network - we employ a cabling company to lay the cables.
The same company arranged our CCTV.<BR><BR>I am the e-learning co-ordinator,
and I am the link between the technician and the staff. I also do PD. It is a
POL 2 position. We also have a portal manager who is also a teacher with time
release.<BR><BR>Our staff were all provided with laptops at the start of last
year. They are expected to take them to class with them as we do on-line
attendances each lesson.<BR><BR>We have about 900 students, and about 22! 0
desktop computers available in various classrooms, labs and hubs etc for
students, so I guess our ratio is about 1:4 or so.<BR><BR>I know that many
schools our size employ three or more people to do the work that our one
technician does. I think one of the reasons that he is able to do such a good
job is that we are very strict with security. Students can't download programs
or any large files; neither can staff without permission. We are also lucky
that we are a girls's school - girls are no-where as destructive as
boys!<BR><BR>Hope this helps<BR><BR>Lesley<BR><BR>> Hi All,<BR>>
<BR>> The admin at my school (Aitken College) want to re-structure the
IT<BR>> Support/Technician department. The school has grown over the years
which<BR>> has resulted in a large increase in the number of computers on
the school<BR>> network.<BR>> <BR>> I was wondering if anyone out
there could provide me with the following<BR>> information relating to
their place of ! employment.<BR>> <BR>> How is the IT Support/Technician
teams st ructured at your school? What are<BR>> the ratios for PC numbers
to number of students and PC numbers to<BR>> Technicians? Do you have only
internal I.T support or are you provided<BR>> with support from external
parties (i.e. experts).<BR>> <BR>> One last request, are your staff
provided with Desktop computers or Laptops?<BR>> <BR>> Thank you<BR>>
<BR>> Lucy Gusak<BR>> Head of Inforamtion Technology Faculty<BR>>
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