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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>It is certainly what I do
here at Luther and what I have done previously at MLC.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>The allowance has to be
something less than a whole class (otherwise you could just run it as two
classes)<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>The most we give here is
half (2 periods out of 4 for a normal class per week).<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>The big advantage is that
the subject stays alive for the preceding years.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>The alternative is too
offer to run the class as a separate class but except only 2 periods per week
to run it (but still teach it for the whole 4 periods). Yes you are teaching a
bigger load but with very small class sizes as compensation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew Grimshaw<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 6 December 2005
9:35<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 12 Information Technology
Processing and Management Teachers'MailingList<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IPM] IPM New
to list</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Margaret makes a very vaild point here - i would argue that
if i have to run a combined course for VCE, where there is a large amount of
marking and preparation, then i ought to be given a small time allowance
for it. The volume of work does depend on the number of students though - what
numbers are we talikng here?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Andrew Grimshaw</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:mlawson@stmichaels.vic.edu.au"
title="mlawson@stmichaels.vic.edu.au">Lawson, Margaret</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au" title="ipm@edulists.com.au">Year 12
Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'MailingList</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday, December
06, 2005 9:15 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: [Year 12 IPM]
IPM New to list<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I don't have an issue with combined
classes, in some sense it can benefit the kids. At two of my past schools I
have run combined classes because of timetabling clashes (evil timetablers
...). </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>What I do have a problem with is the
administration writing it down as one teaching allotment rather than two.
You still have two courses that you have to structure, assess and
write exams for. In a sense combining the curriculum of two subjects into one
class and trying to get a meaningful structure and lessons is perhaps
harder and more challenging.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Margaret</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lel, Ronald A<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 6 December 2005
9:02 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 12 Information Technology
Processing and Management Teachers'MailingList<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IPM] IPM New
to list</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Minato<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 6 December 2005
8:29 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IPM] IPM New
to list</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:8.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Some of the class are only YR10s and I believe far from
ready for IPM. Numbers were such that the subject wasn't initially going to
run; however, sufficient students were available to do it as a combined class. <br>
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It ran as a combined class this year.<br>
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-- <br>
Robert Minato<br>
Teacher<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Catholic</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Wodonga<br>
02 6059 1222<br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'> Snipped</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Well good luck Robert. I'd be really
interested in knowing how your DP taught this and what strategies
he/she used to combine 2 classes which, as has already been pointed out, have
quite different philosophies underpinning them. It seems like another case of
administrative expediency replacing kids' education and learning.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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