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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>IMHO there will only be
one vote against top posting. (Hi Ron) <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:
bold'>Mark Scott</span></font></b></st1:PersonName><b><font size=2 color=gray><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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color:gray;font-weight:bold'>Luther</span></font></b></st1:PlaceName><b><font
size=2 color=gray><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceName></span></font></b></st1:place><b><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>Ps My vote is for top
posting <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Hind<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 6 December 2005
10:31<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 12 Information Technology
Processing and Management Teachers'MailingList<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Year 12 IPM] Re: Top
Post versus Bottom Post Confusion </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>You have my vote in favour of the top posters. I find it
annoying and time consuming to scroll all the way down a long list of replies
to find the new message somewhere near the bottom.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I agree it is a matter of personal preference, there is no "right
way".</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>So cast your votes folks and then we can hopefully reach a
consensus at least for this list!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Robert Hind<br>
IT/Physics/Maths teacher<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ashwood</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
<a href="mailto:hind.robert.m@edumail.vic.gov.au">hind.robert.m@edumail.vic.gov.au</a><br>
<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:Meadows.Roslyn.M@edumail.vic.gov.au"
title="Meadows.Roslyn.M@edumail.vic.gov.au">Meadows, Roslyn M</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au" title="ipm@edulists.com.au">Year 12
Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday, December
06, 2005 10:17 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Top Post versus
Bottom Post Confusion (formerly[Year 12 IPM] IPM New to list)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#800040" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#800040'>Some of us top post, some of us bottom
post, in the end we have a garbled conglomeration that you have to scroll down
to read, never quite getting the gist of who posted what comments in answer to
what.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#800040" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#800040'>Can we have a vote or whatever, but can
we have some CONSISTENCY please??? Personally I prefer top posters, that way I
don't need to scroll down to find the last comments, and presuming the
thread is of interest I have already read the other posts anyway.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#800040" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#800040'>Also is it possible that the topic can
be renamed when the subject has strayed?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:maroon'>Ros Meadows</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2
color=maroon face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:maroon'>Bentleigh</span></font></st1:City><font
size=2 color=maroon><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:maroon'> <st1:State
w:st="on">SC</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:maroon'>9579 1044</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><a href="mailto:meadows.roslyn.m@edumail.vic.gov.au">meadows.roslyn.m@edumail.vic.gov.au</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=huge><font size=2 color=maroon
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:maroon'>Home
computers are being called upon to perform many new functions, including the
consumption of homework formerly eaten by the dog.</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=maroon><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:maroon'> <br>
<strong><b><font face="Times New Roman">Doug Larson</font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Andrew Grimshaw<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tue 12/6/2005 10:04 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 12 Information Technology
Processing and Management Teachers'MailingList<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IPM] IPM New
to list</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The debate is getting lively here!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>In reply to Ron Lel</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>This is not strictly correct Andrew.
While the correction depends on the number of students, the preparation is
the same as if it were for 2 separate classes. - </span></font><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Preparation is much the same but not less marking. I try to give my
students as much feedback on homework tasks etc as possible. The number of
students clearly has an impact on this. Also with 25 students I have no time in
class to complete any other tasks. I know from experience that in a small class
(is my 8 students in maths methods) there are quiet times when one can do prep
and marking</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> I would suggest that Robert asks for
more than a "small time allowance". </span></font><font size=2
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>If i had 20+ students I would apply for 2 sessions and hope to get 1</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Bet he doesn't get it though.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Andrew Grimshaw</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><font size=2
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>Colac</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font size=2 color=red
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:lel.ronald.a@edumail.vic.gov.au"
title="lel.ronald.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">Lel, Ronald A</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au" title="ipm@edulists.com.au">Year 12
Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'MailingList</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday, December
06, 2005 9:43 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: [Year 12 IPM]
IPM New to list<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew Grimshaw<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 6 December 2005
9:35 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 12 Information Technology
Processing and Management Teachers'MailingList<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IPM] IPM New
to list</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Margaret makes a very vaild point here - i would argue that
if i have to run a combined course for VCE, where there is a large amount of
marking and preparation, then i ought to be given a small time allowance
for it. The volume of work does depend on the number of students though - what
numbers are we talikng here?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Andrew Grimshaw</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Colac</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></span></font></st1:place><font size=2
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Snipped</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>This is not strictly correct Andrew.
While the correction depends on the number of students, the preparation is
the same as if it were for 2 separate classes. I would suggest that Robert
asks for more than a "small time allowance". Bet he doesn't get it
though.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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