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<DIV><SPAN class=912213523-16112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Couldn't agree more Mark.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>__________</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peter O'Connor</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bayside College</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark
Scott<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 17 November 2005 10:17 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12
Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IPM] ICT and IT?
Justification<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=gray size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray">FileMaker is great
teaching tool for those students who will never develop or seriously use a
database but will need an understanding of what one
is.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=gray size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=gray size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray">Access is a dreadful
teaching tool, students are able to successfully create a semi-sophisticated
database with out understanding what they are
doing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=gray size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray">IM(ns)HO<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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tabIndex=0 w:st="on"><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=gray size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray">Mark
Scott</SPAN></FONT></B></st1:PersonName><B><FONT color=gray size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray">Luther</SPAN></FONT></B></st1:PlaceName><B><FONT
color=gray size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray">
<st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceName></SPAN></FONT></B></st1:place><B><FONT
color=gray size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=gray size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray">PS Haven’t we had this
conversation before once or twice : )<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Lel, Ronald A<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, 17 November 2005
9:18<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Year 12 Information
Technology Processing and Management Teachers'MailingList<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [Year 12 IPM] ICT and IT?
Justification</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>O'Connor, Peter
T<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, 16
November 2005 3:16 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<st1:PersonName
style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"
tabIndex=0 w:st="on">Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [Year 12 IPM] ICT and IT?
Justification</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rod,</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> snipped</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> And don't get
me started on Access -no one in their right mind would ever use seriously in
business or anywhere else for that matter - IMHO.</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> snipped </SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">__________</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Peter O'Connor</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bayside College<FONT
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Oh
really!! Peter, sorry but this is an extremely ill informed comment, as
well as being factually incorrect. FYI there are many companies which develop
in Access. A very common application is an Access front end hooked into a SQL
backend for example. Other companies develop full solutions in Access,
especially for smaller to mid range businesses.</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now Filemaker otoh is
an application that is not used seriously in the IT world, but seems to have
cropped up in educational settings.</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ron
Lel</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><FONT
face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Croydon</SPAN></FONT></st1:PlaceName><FONT
face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Secondary</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><SPAN
lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Rod Kendall<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, 16 November 2005 12:59
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"
tabIndex=0 w:st="on">Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Year 12 IPM] ICT and IT?
Justification</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear
All<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This follows on from
the discussion that Keith started months ago…….<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think that we need
to get clear in our own heads the difference between ICT and
IT.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here are a few
questions that need to be answered?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As a subject area, do
we not have content that is subject specific to be taught ? Eg SDLC, Hardware
and Software. I see IT curriculum as important as any other subject area. We
have a curriculum that culminates in a VCE study either IPM or IS. It is
ridiculous to say that students can turn up in Year 10/11 and suddenly acquire
the full range of skills and knowledge to pass these VCE exams. We do not do
that to students of English. (My College teaches the basis of programming
concepts and the SDLC (and other like topis) as low as Year 5 – this provides
the basis for a steady build up of skills and knowledge through Year 5, 6, 7 ,
8 , 9 (compulsory IT) and Years 10,11, and 12
(optional).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Are there not skills
that IT will teach that may not be covered in an ICT based curriculum? Eg
creating access databases, how to connect up a scanner
etc<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I find it hard to
swallow that we cannot justify our own
curriculum.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">These are my
thoughts…interested in others<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rod<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Verdana color=#0080c0 size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0080c0; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Rod
<U1:PLACE u2:st="on"><st1:place
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color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Head of Information
and Communication Technologies (ICT)<BR>Head of Information Technology (Keilor
Campus)</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Martin, Michael
M<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 16 November 2005
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Teachers'Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [Year 12 IPM] RE: ICT
Coordinator duties and time allowances</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>I have concerns
with ICT according to VELS. Our IPM classes are down from 3 this
year to 1 next year. My principal is talking about removing IT from
Years 7 and 8, making 9/10 as electives and teaching ICT skills across the
other subject. Many teachers seem to have concerns. What are the
navigator schools doing? What is their approach to ICT according to
VELS? Please advise.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au on
behalf of Roland Gesthuizen<BR><B><SPAN
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Coordinator duties and time allowances</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks for the post Leanne, sad to read some of these
changes going on<BR>around the traps. How do they fit into the broader context
of the<BR>implementation of VELS into your school? We may need to watch that
we<BR>don't inflict up on students a new ailment of "IT death by Google
or<BR>powerpoint". It has taken some convincing here that IT has been
much<BR>much more ever teaching kids how to use PowerPoint.<BR><BR>Somebody
asked what it would take to replace an ICT trained teacher. I<BR>have been a
wag to respond in kind if there was a 2 hour workshop that<BR>an ICT teacher
could do before teaching a year 10 English class ..<BR>afterall, don't we all
speak, read and write English? (no disrespect<BR>intended to English
staff) I have also insisted that I embrace my work<BR>as part of a
professional learning team but will be offended if I am not<BR>consulted or it
is assumed that I have been.<BR><BR>I like some aspects of VELS but also
understand that most IT trained<BR>teachers have studied long and hard to
qualify for their method area.<BR>Naturally they may feel quite alone and
humiliated if they are sidelined<BR>and marginalised from any discussions
about these changes.<BR><BR>Regards Roland<BR><BR>Biggins, Leanne D
wrote:<BR><BR>>Hi Ros,<BR>>This year at <st1:place
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tabIndex=0 w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, the program manager
/ coordinator (me) has had 2 periods allowance per 10 day cycle - ie 1 period
per week.<BR>>The duties include liasing with the ICT tech staff who
service the entire college, looking after budgets and orders, and checking
that the relevant exams are prepared and submitted.<BR>>Since I have been
the only full time IT teacher for the last 2 years, most of this just related
to me, but there have been up to 5 others taking a class or 3 here and
there. I have done curriculum where there were parallel classes to mine,
and suggested units in the classes that I don't teach, but I am not officially
responsible for curriculum and neither are any of the other program
managers. Who is? I don't know!!! I think that it is assumed that
curriculum just hapens!<BR>><BR>>Next year my role will change - to help
deal with VELs. I will be a teaching and learning coach with a focus on
ICT and still have the program manager's responsibilities. I will have 9
periods per cycle. We have lost IT at years 8 and 10, and have had a
semester block at year 7 in all of my time at this school. My role next
year will include going into other classes to help students / staff to cover
the integrated IT and to help students to progress in their skills
there. I guess I will be asked advice as well, since there will not be
time to go into as many classes as would like to utilise my
presence.<BR>><BR>>We'll see how it goes next year. I see it as a
postion full of potential and positives, but it may all fall over. I
despair that students will only use the skills that they come in with
initially, and I hope to help them progress.<BR>><BR>>Leanne
Biggins<BR>><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
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w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><BR>><BR>>________________________________<BR>><BR>>From:
ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Meadows, Roslyn M<BR>>Sent: Thu
10/11/2005 1:58 PM<BR>>To: <st1:PersonName
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tabIndex=0 w:st="on">Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR>>Subject: ICT Coordinator duties
and time allowances<BR>><BR>><BR>>I am currently pushing to have an
ICT Coordinator position reinstated in our school (we have had no position and
no time allowance available for this position this year)<BR>><BR>>Just a
quick email asking others
briefly<BR>><BR>><BR>>* <BR>>
What are your
responsibilities?<BR>><BR>>* <BR>>
What is your time allowance?<BR>><BR>>Any feedback asap would be really
appreciated<BR>><BR>>Cheers<BR>><BR>>Ros Meadows<BR>>Bentleigh
SC<BR>>9579
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