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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This follows on from the discussion that
Keith started months ago…….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think that we need to get clear in our
own heads the difference between ICT and IT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Here are a few questions that need to be
answered?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As a subject area, do we not have content
that is subject specific to be taught ? Eg SDLC, Hardware and Software. I see
IT curriculum as important as any other subject area. We have a curriculum that
culminates in a VCE study either IPM or IS. It is ridiculous to say that
students can turn up in Year 10/11 and suddenly acquire the full range of
skills and knowledge to pass these VCE exams. We do not do that to students of
English. (My College teaches the basis of programming concepts and the SDLC (and
other like topis) as low as Year 5 – this provides the basis for a steady
build up of skills and knowledge through Year 5, 6, 7 , 8 , 9 (compulsory IT)
and Years 10,11, and 12 (optional).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Are there not skills that IT will teach
that may not be covered in an ICT based curriculum? Eg creating access
databases, how to connect up a scanner etc<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I find it hard to swallow that we cannot
justify our own curriculum.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>These are my thoughts…interested in
others<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 16 November 2005 12:22 PM<br>
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12 Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IPM] RE: ICT
Coordinator duties and time allowances</span></font><span lang=EN-US
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I have concerns with ICT according to VELS. Our IPM classes are
down from 3 this year to 1 next year. My principal is talking about
removing IT from Years 7 and 8, making 9/10 as electives and teaching ICT
skills across the other subject. Many teachers seem to have
concerns. What are the navigator schools doing? What is their
approach to ICT according to VELS? Please advise.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Roland Gesthuizen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Mon 14/11/2005 4:39 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IPM] RE: ICT
Coordinator duties and time allowances</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks
for the post Leanne, sad to read some of these changes going on<br>
around the traps. How do they fit into the broader context of the<br>
implementation of VELS into your school? We may need to watch that we<br>
don't inflict up on students a new ailment of "IT death by Google or<br>
powerpoint". It has taken some convincing here that IT has been much<br>
much more ever teaching kids how to use PowerPoint.<br>
<br>
Somebody asked what it would take to replace an ICT trained teacher. I<br>
have been a wag to respond in kind if there was a 2 hour workshop that<br>
an ICT teacher could do before teaching a year 10 English class ..<br>
afterall, don't we all speak, read and write English? (no disrespect<br>
intended to English staff) I have also insisted that I embrace my
work<br>
as part of a professional learning team but will be offended if I am not<br>
consulted or it is assumed that I have been.<br>
<br>
I like some aspects of VELS but also understand that most IT trained<br>
teachers have studied long and hard to qualify for their method area.<br>
Naturally they may feel quite alone and humiliated if they are sidelined<br>
and marginalised from any discussions about these changes.<br>
<br>
Regards Roland<br>
<br>
Biggins, Leanne D wrote:<br>
<br>
>Hi Ros,<br>
>This year at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Heathmont</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, the program
manager / coordinator (me) has had 2 periods allowance per 10 day cycle - ie 1
period per week.<br>
>The duties include liasing with the ICT tech staff who service the entire
college, looking after budgets and orders, and checking that the relevant exams
are prepared and submitted.<br>
>Since I have been the only full time IT teacher for the last 2 years, most
of this just related to me, but there have been up to 5 others taking a class
or 3 here and there. I have done curriculum where there were parallel
classes to mine, and suggested units in the classes that I don't teach, but I
am not officially responsible for curriculum and neither are any of the other
program managers. Who is? I don't know!!! I think that it is assumed that
curriculum just hapens!<br>
><br>
>Next year my role will change - to help deal with VELs. I will be a
teaching and learning coach with a focus on ICT and still have the program
manager's responsibilities. I will have 9 periods per cycle. We have lost
IT at years 8 and 10, and have had a semester block at year 7 in all of my time
at this school. My role next year will include going into other classes
to help students / staff to cover the integrated IT and to help students to
progress in their skills there. I guess I will be asked advice as well,
since there will not be time to go into as many classes as would like to
utilise my presence.<br>
><br>
>We'll see how it goes next year. I see it as a postion full of
potential and positives, but it may all fall over. I despair that students
will only use the skills that they come in with initially, and I hope to help
them progress.<br>
><br>
>Leanne Biggins<br>
><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Heathmont</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
><br>
>________________________________<br>
><br>
>From: ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Meadows, Roslyn M<br>
>Sent: Thu 10/11/2005 1:58 PM<br>
>To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year 12 Information Technology Processing and
Management Teachers'Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
>Subject: ICT Coordinator duties and time allowances<br>
><br>
><br>
>I am currently pushing to have an ICT Coordinator position reinstated in
our school (we have had no position and no time allowance available for this
position this year)<br>
><br>
>Just a quick email asking others briefly<br>
><br>
><br>
>* <br>
> What are your responsibilities?<br>
><br>
>* <br>
> What is your time allowance?<br>
><br>
>Any feedback asap would be really appreciated<br>
><br>
>Cheers<br>
><br>
>Ros Meadows<br>
>Bentleigh SC<br>
>9579 1044<br>
>meadows.roslyn.m@edumail.vic.gov.au<br>
><br>
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