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<DIV>Thanks Julie,</DIV>
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<DIV>Any thoughts on what be an ‘appropriate strategy’ strategy is? There
seems to be some reluctance for people in responding to this element of the
descriptor....</DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers, Russell</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=Smith.Alison.Cl@edumail.vic.gov.au
href="mailto:Smith.Alison.Cl@edumail.vic.gov.au">Smith, Alison Cl</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:22 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=english@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none">I
agree with Julie. I teach some bright students who can be very slack and very
creative. With the Carver questions, they would start with the text but launch
into debate about the nature of the ways in which we are trapped, with
occasional references back to the text. Particularly on theme questions, they
can write exceptionally well, but they don't rely sufficiently on the text as
the basis of their discussion. In my thinking, that's why the phrase is there -
simply to ensure that great writers keep their discussion within the framework
of the text, rather than going off on fascinating tangents. So, I don't think
it's a question of "what is the basis of the text?" I think it's that the essay
must have the text as its basis - fantastic complexity of thinking that doesn't
meet this criteria will not score highly. I may be splitting hairs at this
point...
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>Alison<BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On 18/07/2012, at 8:16 AM, Julie wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>Hello again Russell,</DIV>
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<DIV>Couldn't resist one more comment! This one is related to your
alternative suggestion:</DIV>
<DIV>"Demonstrates an understanding of the implications of the topic, using an
appropriate strategy for</DIV>
<DIV>dealing with it, and thoroughly exploring its complexity."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think of some of the students I've taught over the years and I know
they would</DIV>
<DIV>'wander off' to deal with the complexity of the topic, including how they
think it relates to </DIV>
<DIV>'modern politics' or even their lives. In their own minds they are
still relating these things to the </DIV>
<DIV>text and would argue that they have produced an upper range
response. How does your suggestion </DIV>
<DIV>inform these students?</DIV>
<DIV>I agree it might work for some topics.</DIV>
<DIV>A reference to the text is necessary.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Julie</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>On 16/07/2012, at 10:09 AM, <<A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>That was exceedingly glib of me Mary....I apologise. However, I am now
sober and ready to continue in a rational frame.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As the list knows I have an issue with the phrase ‘ the basis of the
text”. I doubt that such a thing exists in any sensible discussion of
literature. Yet following on from Jan’s interpretation, wouldn’t the
following construction be clearer:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Demonstrates an understanding of the implications of the topic, using
an appropriate strategy for</DIV>
<DIV>dealing with it, and exploring its complexity in relation to key
textual elements.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This has a couple of advantages. Firstly it means that the student can
and should make choices about the best way to explore the topic’s complexity
without going through a list that is supposed to comprise the basis of the
text. Secondly it doesn’t disrupt the idea of elements further down the
descriptor hierarchy.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However, I still feel that perhaps there is no need for the phrase at
all.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>and that something like this might work as well:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Demonstrates an understanding of the implications of the topic, using
an appropriate strategy for</DIV>
<DIV>dealing with it, and thoroughly exploring its complexity.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As I previously remarked, the topic invariably refers to the text, so
any student that thoroughly explores its complexity must be connecting it to
key elements of the text.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This leaves the question of what an appropriate strategy is... </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Russell</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rdf4@bigpond.com
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 16, 2012 1:25 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=english@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">'VCE English Teachers' Mailing
List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Mary,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>At risk of being glib I could say that there are texts with different
structures and texts with different contexts, but they have the same
language: English. Therefore it’s not difficult to separate those aspects
from the language.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The problem as I see it with the phrase, ‘the basis of the text’ is
that it implies there is one, fundamental aspect. Even if we agree
that the one fundamental aspect is language, then it’s no use in the context
of the descriptor. Your supposition that the basis of the text is inherently
uncertain could lead to obscurantism. In my view it’s simply unclear writing
and needs to be altered.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The other element in this guessing game is the idea of an ‘appropriate
strategy’: yet to be satisfactorily defined.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Russell</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mary.mason@bigpond.com
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com">Mary Mason</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 15, 2012 10:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=english@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">'VCE English Teachers' Mailing
List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Can’t
help but join in. How can you separate the language of the text from the
structure, and the context? I have been preparing a unit of work on Sylvia
Plath. Her allusions reach into the German Reich, 4<SUP>th</SUP> Century
history, the Colossus, and so on. They are all deeply relevant to her
meaning. Her confessional poetry stems from Robert Lowell’s lead but the
disciplined way in which she places her personal experience into a frame is
highly relevant. Her use of structures such as nursery rhymes,
diminutives etc, and humour as well as irony are all as much part of the
language as her imagery, rhyme and rhythm. However, how do I approach her
poetry as a student. Do I see her as a feminist? Do I see her as a victim?
Do I see her as working through a situation as a person who is exploring
through a number of masks her personal situations? Are they her personal
situations or is she exploring situations which she observes? I like the
notion of a guessing game. I suppose the basis of the text has a kind
of uncertainty to it because it is so rich and
generative.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mary<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au">english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>
[mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B><A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
15 July 2012 7:39 PM<BR><B>To:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected
qualities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hello
Jan<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The guessing game
continues.... The basis of any print text will always be the language.
Any other element must be secondary, even third in line or fourth etc... the
suggestion that a text has any other basis is limiting; and corralling
student thinking.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks for your
contribution.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=Jan.May@stleonards.vic.edu.au
href="mailto:Jan.May@stleonards.vic.edu.au">Jan May</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Sunday, July 15, 2012 6:58 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">VCE
English Teachers' Mailing List</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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Re: [English] expected qualities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This
is a fascinating discussion to follow. Here's my take.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
like to think of the 'basis of a text' as consisting of elements such as
these:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<UL type=disc>
<LI
style="COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">the words or
language choices of the writer/director/poet/playwright <o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI
style="COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">context
<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI
style="COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">structure
<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI
style="COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">setting
<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI
style="COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">plot, action,
events <o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI
style="COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">characters<o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">All
of these elements - and others - contribute to our appreciation of the text.
We consider these and then come back and see the text in new ways. Part of
the joy of teaching the texts is how students (and the teacher) read and
understand the text in different ways. You might also pick up the links
between my understanding of 'the basis of the text' and the type of essay
questions we end up setting for our students. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au">english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>
[<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au">english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>]
on behalf of <A href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</A> [<A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
15 July 2012 6:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Cc:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi Julie and
thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">You begin by
suggesting that the phrase ‘the basis of the text’ is a small part of
the descriptor that I am being ‘distracted by’. Then you go on to say that
this phrase represents ideas of fundamental importance to the
text!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">You continue with
the assertion that the descriptor points to individual interpretation and
reading. If there is such a thing as ‘the basis of a text’ (which I am
contesting) then I can’t see how it could in any way be referring to
individuality or originality in terms of interpretation. I mean if you asked
most people what they thought the basis of Macbeth is they’d probably give
you the plot outline. Once again I remain baffled by this phrase.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks for that
little challenge at the end of your email... I am considering
it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">BTW Mary Mason,
you have my permission to use my contributions to this thread for your web
site.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Cheers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=bookjewel6@gmail.com href="mailto:bookjewel6@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Julie</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:05 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] expected qualities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hello
again,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I still think, as
language experts, we need to focus on the purpose of the writing in
question, in this case the descriptors, rather than be distracted by a small
part of it. The descriptors are designed to 'separate' responses and
help determine and rate the quality of each one. (Descriptors:
<A
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf"
target=_blank>http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf</A>
)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The difference in
degree of the element, 'from the basis of the text' is quite
clear. As the quality of the piece declines, the corresponding
descriptor uses different language to reflect how the student has responded
to the ideas in the text. It deteriorates to 'using some elements of
the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">text' and other
indicators such as 'supported appropriately by elements of the text' (6) and
'referring to appropriate elements of the text
(5)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The student who
has built a response from the 'basis of the text' employs ideas of
fundamental importance to the text, perhaps as a starting point or point of
departure. This descriptor points to individual interpretation and
reading. Essays beneath that, for example a 5, only refer to 'elements
of the text'. Typically, this level of essay might refer to a theme or
two without moving beyond that because the student does not understand the
essence or basis of the text. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">What words, other
than 'from the basis of the text', could be used to make the necessary
distinction? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The distinction is
necessary!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">(I thought I sent
this message yesterday but it didn't see to make it to the
thread...Apologies if I've accidentally spammed anyone on the list. My
email did a few strange things yesterday!)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><BR>Regards,
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Julie
Squires<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><BR>On 14/07/2012,
at 9:39 AM, "Mary Mason" <<A href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
have been fascinated by this thread about assessment and would like to put
it on a site for first year teachers which I am developing with the
Ministry and a suggestion to them all to subscribe to the Edulist. Can
those who have contributed please let me know through my email <A
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A> whether you would agree with this
and thank you Russell for generating such a thoughtful
discussion.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mary</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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lang=EN-US> <A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Prue Gill<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 13 July 2012 12:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">And
one other thing to remember – assessment of written work in English
involves matters of judgement. There are not neat answers to Russell’s
questions – the questions are important because they lead to discussion,
and we make our judgement based on all those discussions we have had about
what distinguishes one piece of writing from another. Those judgements are
up for challenge, and it is in those challenges that I’ve had some of my
best professional development. We should not be frightened by the lack of
certainty, but thankful because we are reminded that there are still
surprises for us to be had when we read student writing. I like reading
discussions like this.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Prue
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US> <A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Reynolds, Gail G<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 13 July 2012 10:50
AM<BR><B>To:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To
weigh into this discussion again, Russell, as I tried to indicate in my
previous email, those are guidelines for the assessors, not dot points to
be ticked off. The words you are worrying about are markers <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">only</SPAN></STRONG> of high
level responses (if you like an answer to the question <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">what differentiates a high
scoring response?</SPAN></EM>) Remember purpose and audience, these
are assessor <U>guidelines </U>and intended for that purpose <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">they are
</SPAN></EM><STRONG><I><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">not criteria
</SPAN></I></STRONG><EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">as such but d<U>escriptors</U>
intended to <U>characterise</U></SPAN></EM>.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Secondly
you are not understanding the meaning of the point, because you have
emphasised part of the statement only. The reason that this point
does not appear in the lower descriptors is that this
c<U>haracteristic</U><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> only</SPAN></STRONG> belongs
to a 9 or 10 script, ie the best and the best of the best.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The
'strategy' is NOT NECESSARILY about 'supplying an argument' (although in
<EM><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">some</SPAN></EM>
cases it could be) There are any number of ways the 'appropriate strategy'
can be achieved The minute a list is created, then other strategies,
not envisioned by the maker/s of the list, are excluded but the
descriptors are intended to be open so that students who have high level
skills to employ unusual but effective and highly engaging ways of
exploring the text and the question are not penalised but can be rewarded.
The 'strategy' reflects the student's high level ability to engage with
the issues of the text and topic , the way the issues are raised by the
author, the way meaning is created for the audience... in short it is
about insightful ways of thinking</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Gail</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
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href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com" target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A> [<A
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target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 13 July 2012
9:16 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'VCE English Teachers' Mailing
List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I’m sorry you
seem to think I’m playing around here Mary. I explained earlier why I
think this is an important issue. The term <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the basis of the
text</SPAN></STRONG> is increasingly looking like a set of weasel words to
me and in the pursuit of clarity I intend to continue to ask what it
means. Your sentence, </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
basis of the text can give rise to multiple meanings of it.
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Might be more
simply and clearly be written as</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">‘the text can
give rise to multiple readings’. I still have no idea what is meant
by <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the basis of
the text.</SPAN></STRONG> ‘Basis’ implies a foundation, as I said before
its one thing. What is the foundation of Macbeth? perhaps it is the text
itself. Now this is circular and clearly unhelpful. I suggest again that
the phrase as it stands in the descriptor is redundant, as it is in your
sentence.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Secondly, if a
strategy is supplying an argument, then why doesn’t the descriptor mention
the word argument in its stead. One would expect the ability to supply an
argument to be a feature of middle ranking papers as well as the 9-10
grade where it singularly appears. Further to this, I would be looking for
an ‘effective’ argument, not being sure what an appropriate one
is...</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">But thanks for
your input so far.... I understand if feel you can’t continue and prefer
to simply disagree.</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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<A title=mary.mason@bigpond.com href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>Mary Mason</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:32 PM</SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
think you are now playing with words. The basis of the text can give rise
to multiple meanings of it. I can argue about Macbeth from a feminist
perspective; I can argue that he is beguiled by the witches and his wife;
I can argue that he has created a weaker <BR>Scotland; and so on. In each
case I am using the text as the basis but I am giving it an angle, or
following a particular perspective. In terms of strategy, as a marker, you
look for an argument and how appropriately students have argued. I think
students do make choices about what strategy to adopt and when there is
congruence with what they are arguing, it is magic. Russell, perhaps we
just disagree.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mary</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US> <A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B><A href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 12 July 2012
10:06 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'VCE English Teachers' Mailing
List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi Mary;
and thanks for the response...</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I think what
you’ve written actually highlights one of the aspects of the issue: you
write that you’re guessing twice and presuming once in your interpretation
of this, I would argue, poorly written descriptor.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">If I understand
you correctly you’re suggesting that the idea of multiple readings
constitute the basis of the text. As I understand it a basis is one thing,
so I’m not sure if this is possible.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">You go on to
argue that ‘appropriateness’ suggests choices, but the descriptor
specifically mention an appropriate strategy, not that students would put
up one strategy, and then another, then demonstrate that they’ve chosen
one. Anyway, what I want know is what is such an appropriate strategy and,
by definition, what is an inappropriate one. Two responses so for have
tried to argue that relevance her might be the discriminating element
here. Gail suggested that students can wonder off topic. Her example was
the <EM><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Years of
Wonders</SPAN></EM> one where students might talk in general terms about
the plague in London and forget the setting of the text being Eyam. This
hardly seems like an issue to do with a highly graded paper. The American
novel containing flashbacks seems like students need to deal with a fairly
clear structural element within the text: time shifts. I haven’t
read it myself so I cant comment on the complexity of it... but the issue
is, again, not one of complexity, but of the two elements <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">an appropriate
strategy</SPAN></STRONG> in dealing with the topic and what is
<STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the basis of the
text</SPAN></STRONG>. As far as I can see no clear explanation has been
arrived at.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=mary.mason@bigpond.com href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>Mary Mason</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:36 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi
- I am not an assessor now but given that there are multiple readings of
texts I guess that what this descriptor is saying is that any reading must
be grounded in the text and recognising that such readings will be
different. Presumably the ways in which students interrogate the text
should show the complexity of their response and the choices they
deliberately make to express their reading. Appropriateness suggests they
make choices. For example on Sunday School this week, a teacher
talked about the importance of students not just pursuing the flashbacks
of the main character of the novel to America but the lived in present of
his dialogue with the American. Those students who merely explore the
flashbacks without relating it to present time would not have such a
complex reading and may just be repeating a received reading instead of
using all of their knowledge about the text to tackle the question
dynamically. I guess if I were marking – and I have marked in the
past – I would be looking for not only the capacity of the student to have
developed a complex reading of the text which is supported by that text,
but I would be looking at the fluency through which he or she could
express that meaning cogently, and succinctly using appropriate
metalanguage which is at the same time evocative of the language of the
novel. The very best answers use language so well. I have also marked
literature as well and in both cases originality and complexity of reading
matched by excellent fluency are the hallmarks of top answers. Why is the
basis of the text not in other levels? Well it should be but it is only in
those high answers that the response is controlled and the student is
making choices about appropriate strategies.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Cheers</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mary</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US> <A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B><A href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 12 July 2012
1:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Wondering if
there’s any other assessors on this thread who care to comment on the
descriptor in question... Personally, and professionally I might add, I
find this an interesting issue. If these descriptors hold any weight at
all in the assessment process then don’t we have an obligation to
understand them; or if they are poorly written then at least identify
their shortcomings and deal with it...?</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The key
questions once again are: What is <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the basis of the text?
</SPAN></STRONG>For instance, what is the basis of, say, <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Cat’s Eye</SPAN></EM>? And
what is meant by <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">an appropriate
strategy</SPAN></STRONG> for dealing with it (ie the topic) and why is
there no need for a strategy (appropriate or otherwise) below the 9-10
range?</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=rdf4@bigpond.com href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:14 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi
Gail</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks for
contributing to this thread. </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Just to be
clear, it’s dot point 2 in the 8-10 range I’m referring to. I suppose
good, clear writing is what I’m concerned about here. Firstly, if
someone could explain to me what <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the basis of the text
</SPAN></STRONG>is<STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">,</SPAN></STRONG> why it is
considered so important then maybe we could then discuss profitable ways
of teaching to it. For instance, what is the basis of the text Cat’s Eye
by Margaret Atwood? Secondly, what is meant by an
<STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">appropriate
strategy</SPAN></STRONG> and why aren't students below the 9-10 range
considered to need one, appropriate or otherwise?</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I don’t have any
anxieties about the discrepancy rates or lack thereof, just thinking that
we need to know exactly what is going on in the language and syntax of
this descriptor. Gail’s point about students thinking they are meeting the
[wider] implications surely become an issue when no such implications are
referred to in the examination criteria.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=reynolds.gail.g@edumail.vic.gov.au
href="mailto:reynolds.gail.g@edumail.vic.gov.au" target=_blank>Reynolds,
Gail G</A> </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:57 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi
Russell,</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
think the point of the phrase is that the weaker students will often go
off into tangents separating their exploration of the iissues from the
text itself; so for example a <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Year of
Wonders</SPAN></EM> response might wander off into a discussion of
the plague in general terms, say, how many were killed in London, which is
irrelevant to the text which is set (apparently) in Eyam an isolated small
village well away from London. The student themselves may think they
are meeting the wider implications criteria, but they are not addressing
the text. The phrase which worries you is a reminder to the
Assessors that these discussions need to be in a context which has a
substantial link to the content of the text. (Remember that these criteria
are not the ones given on the exam paper but intended for the assessors --
a process I think is somewhat duplicitous ... but that is another issue
altogether)</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You
should also consider that the assessors make 'on balance' decisions in a
process which is holistic marking, ie markers don't tick off criteria as
such, but use them as a guide for their marking. An experienced assessor
will use these criteria to differentiate scripts, but two responses may
receive the same marks although the degree to which they meet each of the
stated criteria may show greater strength in one area over another when
compared one to the other. It sounds complex, but English has a very
low discrepancy rate (assessors disagreeing) </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Gail</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class=MsoNormal align=center><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">
<HR align=center SIZE=2 width="100%">
</SPAN></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] on behalf of <A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com" target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A> [<A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 10 July 2012
11:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English]
expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hello Julie and
thanks for your response...</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I don’t have an
issue with the key words you identify... though I have a nagging feeling
that the phrase “ from the basis of the text” is redundant. I mean the
exam topic itself invariably refers to the text. Unless it’s
referring to something else, I don’t understand why it’s there. Also
your point about “understanding the text in the wider world”... isn't this
a C&P feature rather than a R&R one? My understanding of an
R&R response is that it deals with the world of the text, not real
world elements...</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I also wonder
what is meant by “an appropriate strategy for dealing with it” ... ie the
topic; and why marks below 8 don’t need a strategy, appropriate or
otherwise. >From your point of view what would such an appropriate
strategy be? Perhaps others also have thoughts on this?</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks
again,</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=bookjewel6@gmail.com href="mailto:bookjewel6@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Julie</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Monday, July 09, 2012 8:50 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>mailto:english@edulists.com.au</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi
Russell,</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The key words in
this description, for me, are: 'implications', 'exploring' and
'complexity'. The thinking associated with these words is quite
sophisticated. While we hope that all students respond 'from the
basis of the text' it is usually clear that the best responses take the
ideas so much further. The basic response 'describes' the ideas in the
topic while the best response moves way beyond this and understands the
text in the wider world. </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">It is hard to
explain but when you see the difference in student responses the
difference is more obvious.<BR><BR>Regards, </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Julie
Squires</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><BR>On
09/07/2012, at 12:42 PM, <<A href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I’m looking at
the 2011 Expected Qualities (Reading and Responding) for exam markers
and wonder what people understand by the term... “Demonstrates an
understanding of the implications of the topic...exploring its
complexity <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">from the basis of the
text</SPAN></STRONG>.” I note that this expected quality is only
referred to in the 8-10 mark range. One would like to think that
most students would use the text as the basis for their response; or am
I missing the point...?</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><A
title=http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf"
target=_blank>http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf</A></SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=lorrainepaul@hotmail.com href="mailto:lorrainepaul@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>Lorraine Paul</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Sunday, July 08, 2012 7:58 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] VCE English Teachers and Coordinators</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><BR>Thanks
Mary. I teach in an independent school. It's nice when you have forums
like this. All the best!<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: #1f497d">Lorraine
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From: <A
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A><BR>Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012
09:21:46 +1000<BR>Subject: Re: [English] VCE English Teachers and
Coordinators</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Lorraine
- I’m sorry. You need to have an edumail address to access the site. You
can be a crt teacher or an employee in a state school.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mary</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black" lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] <B>On Behalf
Of </B>Lorraine Paul<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 7 July 2012 11:15
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[English] VCE English Teachers and Coordinators</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>Hello
Mary,</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Is
this open only to State School Teachers ?<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: #1f497d">Lorraine
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">! </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Date:
Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:58:49 +1000<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:mcclenaghan.douglas.j@edumail.vic.gov.au"
target=_blank>mcclenaghan.douglas.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A><BR>Subject: Re: [English] VCE
English Teachers and Coordinators</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hello
Mary</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Yes,
I am certainly interested in this. Sign me up.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Yours</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Douglas
McClenaghan<BR><BR>>>> Mary Mason<<A
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A>> 7/06/2012 11:13 AM
>>></SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dear
VCE teachers</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
am working with a group for the Department of Education on designing
course materials for Years 11 and 12 VCE English for State School
Teachers. We are also working on a site on! the Ultranet for teachers
new to VCE English. This site will provide excellent materials for
teachers; provide opportunities for them to ask questions of experienced
VCE teachers; participate in a forum with other teachers; and
opportunities to access virtual discussions/lectures on aspects of the
course. We are also hopeful that there could be a forum on it for
collaborative research for VIT projects. We would like to have about 30
teachers from state schools ,who are presently teaching VCE, who
would be willing to trial and help us to build the site so it will be
helpful for teachers. Participation will count towards
professional development time and will, I think, be most interesting. If
you are a CRT teacher you are welcome to join as well. I know it is
diffi! cult sometimes for you to pick up professional development hours.
Please contact me directly on my email: <A
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A> if you are able to participate.
The trial will be in Term 3 and will involve you loggi! ng
into the site, participating in some of the forums, and feeding back to
us your comments.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Best
wishes</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Mary
Mason</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Consultant
to the Ultranet</SPAN><SPAN
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