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<DIV>Hi Julie....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Maybe if we look at a sample topic:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>‘Carver’s characters in <EM>Will you Please Be Quiet, Please?</EM> seem
trapped in ways they can’t fully understand.’ Discuss.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Wonder how a high performing student in exploring the complexity of this
topic could wander off. Everything in it is specific to the text. If they did
begin to roam into irrelevancies they would have to be marked down...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Any idea on what constitutes an appropriate strategy? or even better,
an inappropriate one?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The descriptor <STRONG>seems</STRONG> (one can’t be sure) to suggest that
drawing on elements of the text to support an argument is an appropriate
strategy... but isn't that the only one?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Or am I off the boil here?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Any more assessors out there with a clue?</DIV>
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<DIV>Russell</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=bookjewel6@gmail.com
href="mailto:bookjewel6@gmail.com">Julie</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:16 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=english@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A>
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=english@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Hello again Russell,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Couldn't resist one more comment! This one is related to your
alternative suggestion:</DIV>
<DIV>"Demonstrates an understanding of the implications of the topic, using an
appropriate strategy for</DIV>
<DIV>dealing with it, and thoroughly exploring its complexity."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think of some of the students I've taught over the years and I know they
would</DIV>
<DIV>'wander off' to deal with the complexity of the topic, including how they
think it relates to </DIV>
<DIV>'modern politics' or even their lives. In their own minds they are
still relating these things to the </DIV>
<DIV>text and would argue that they have produced an upper range response.
How does your suggestion </DIV>
<DIV>inform these students?</DIV>
<DIV>I agree it might work for some topics.</DIV>
<DIV>A reference to the text is necessary.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Julie</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>On 16/07/2012, at 10:09 AM, <<A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>That was exceedingly glib of me Mary....I apologise. However, I am now
sober and ready to continue in a rational frame.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As the list knows I have an issue with the phrase ‘ the basis of the
text”. I doubt that such a thing exists in any sensible discussion of
literature. Yet following on from Jan’s interpretation, wouldn’t the following
construction be clearer:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Demonstrates an understanding of the implications of the topic, using an
appropriate strategy for</DIV>
<DIV>dealing with it, and exploring its complexity in relation to key textual
elements.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This has a couple of advantages. Firstly it means that the student can
and should make choices about the best way to explore the topic’s complexity
without going through a list that is supposed to comprise the basis of the
text. Secondly it doesn’t disrupt the idea of elements further down the
descriptor hierarchy.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However, I still feel that perhaps there is no need for the phrase at
all.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>and that something like this might work as well:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Demonstrates an understanding of the implications of the topic, using an
appropriate strategy for</DIV>
<DIV>dealing with it, and thoroughly exploring its complexity.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As I previously remarked, the topic invariably refers to the text, so any
student that thoroughly explores its complexity must be connecting it to key
elements of the text.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This leaves the question of what an appropriate strategy is... </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Russell</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rdf4@bigpond.com
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 16, 2012 1:25 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=english@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Mary,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>At risk of being glib I could say that there are texts with different
structures and texts with different contexts, but they have the same language:
English. Therefore it’s not difficult to separate those aspects from the
language.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The problem as I see it with the phrase, ‘the basis of the text’ is that
it implies there is one, fundamental aspect. Even if we agree that the
one fundamental aspect is language, then it’s no use in the context of the
descriptor. Your supposition that the basis of the text is inherently
uncertain could lead to obscurantism. In my view it’s simply unclear writing
and needs to be altered.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The other element in this guessing game is the idea of an ‘appropriate
strategy’: yet to be satisfactorily defined.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Russell</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mary.mason@bigpond.com
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com">Mary Mason</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 15, 2012 10:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=english@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Can’t
help but join in. How can you separate the language of the text from the
structure, and the context? I have been preparing a unit of work on Sylvia
Plath. Her allusions reach into the German Reich, 4<SUP>th</SUP> Century
history, the Colossus, and so on. They are all deeply relevant to her meaning.
Her confessional poetry stems from Robert Lowell’s lead but the disciplined
way in which she places her personal experience into a frame is highly
relevant. Her use of structures such as nursery rhymes, diminutives etc,
and humour as well as irony are all as much part of the language as her
imagery, rhyme and rhythm. However, how do I approach her poetry as a student.
Do I see her as a feminist? Do I see her as a victim? Do I see her as working
through a situation as a person who is exploring through a number of masks her
personal situations? Are they her personal situations or is she exploring
situations which she observes? I like the notion of a guessing game. I suppose
the basis of the text has a kind of uncertainty to it because it is so
rich and generative.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mary<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au">english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>
[mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B><A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, 15
July 2012 7:39 PM<BR><B>To:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected
qualities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hello
Jan<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The guessing game
continues.... The basis of any print text will always be the language.
Any other element must be secondary, even third in line or fourth etc... the
suggestion that a text has any other basis is limiting; and corralling student
thinking.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks for your
contribution.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=Jan.May@stleonards.vic.edu.au
href="mailto:Jan.May@stleonards.vic.edu.au">Jan May</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Sunday, July 15, 2012 6:58 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">VCE
English Teachers' Mailing List</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[English] expected qualities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This
is a fascinating discussion to follow. Here's my take. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
like to think of the 'basis of a text' as consisting of elements such as
these:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<UL type=disc>
<LI
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class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">the words or
language choices of the writer/director/poet/playwright <o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI
style="COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">context
<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI
style="COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">structure
<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI
style="COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">setting
<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI
style="COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">plot, action,
events <o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI
style="COLOR: black; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">characters<o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">All
of these elements - and others - contribute to our appreciation of the text.
We consider these and then come back and see the text in new ways. Part of the
joy of teaching the texts is how students (and the teacher) read and
understand the text in different ways. You might also pick up the links
between my understanding of 'the basis of the text' and the type of essay
questions we end up setting for our students. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au">english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>
[<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au">english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>]
on behalf of <A href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</A> [<A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
15 July 2012 6:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Cc:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi Julie and
thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">You begin by
suggesting that the phrase ‘the basis of the text’ is a small part of
the descriptor that I am being ‘distracted by’. Then you go on to say that
this phrase represents ideas of fundamental importance to the
text!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">You continue with
the assertion that the descriptor points to individual interpretation and
reading. If there is such a thing as ‘the basis of a text’ (which I am
contesting) then I can’t see how it could in any way be referring to
individuality or originality in terms of interpretation. I mean if you asked
most people what they thought the basis of Macbeth is they’d probably give you
the plot outline. Once again I remain baffled by this phrase.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks for that
little challenge at the end of your email... I am considering
it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">BTW Mary Mason, you
have my permission to use my contributions to this thread for your web
site.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Cheers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=bookjewel6@gmail.com href="mailto:bookjewel6@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Julie</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:05 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[English] expected qualities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hello
again,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I still think, as
language experts, we need to focus on the purpose of the writing in question,
in this case the descriptors, rather than be distracted by a small part of
it. The descriptors are designed to 'separate' responses and help
determine and rate the quality of each one. (Descriptors: <A
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf"
target=_blank>http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf</A>
)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The difference in
degree of the element, 'from the basis of the text' is quite
clear. As the quality of the piece declines, the corresponding
descriptor uses different language to reflect how the student has responded to
the ideas in the text. It deteriorates to 'using some elements of
the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">text' and other
indicators such as 'supported appropriately by elements of the text' (6) and
'referring to appropriate elements of the text (5)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The student who has
built a response from the 'basis of the text' employs ideas of fundamental
importance to the text, perhaps as a starting point or point of
departure. This descriptor points to individual interpretation and
reading. Essays beneath that, for example a 5, only refer to 'elements
of the text'. Typically, this level of essay might refer to a theme or
two without moving beyond that because the student does not understand the
essence or basis of the text. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">What words, other
than 'from the basis of the text', could be used to make the necessary
distinction? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The distinction is
necessary!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">(I thought I sent
this message yesterday but it didn't see to make it to the thread...Apologies
if I've accidentally spammed anyone on the list. My email did a few
strange things yesterday!)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><BR>Regards,
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Julie
Squires<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><BR>On 14/07/2012,
at 9:39 AM, "Mary Mason" <<A href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
have been fascinated by this thread about assessment and would like to put
it on a site for first year teachers which I am developing with the Ministry
and a suggestion to them all to subscribe to the Edulist. Can those who have
contributed please let me know through my email <A
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A> whether you would agree with this
and thank you Russell for generating such a thoughtful
discussion.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mary</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US> <A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Prue Gill<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 13 July 2012 12:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">And
one other thing to remember – assessment of written work in English involves
matters of judgement. There are not neat answers to Russell’s questions –
the questions are important because they lead to discussion, and we make our
judgement based on all those discussions we have had about what
distinguishes one piece of writing from another. Those judgements are up for
challenge, and it is in those challenges that I’ve had some of my best
professional development. We should not be frightened by the lack of
certainty, but thankful because we are reminded that there are still
surprises for us to be had when we read student writing. I like reading
discussions like this.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Prue
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US> <A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Reynolds, Gail G<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 13 July 2012 10:50
AM<BR><B>To:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To
weigh into this discussion again, Russell, as I tried to indicate in my
previous email, those are guidelines for the assessors, not dot points to be
ticked off. The words you are worrying about are markers <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">only</SPAN></STRONG> of high
level responses (if you like an answer to the question <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">what differentiates a high
scoring response?</SPAN></EM>) Remember purpose and audience, these
are assessor <U>guidelines </U>and intended for that purpose <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">they are
</SPAN></EM><STRONG><I><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">not
criteria </SPAN></I></STRONG><EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">as such but d<U>escriptors</U>
intended to <U>characterise</U></SPAN></EM>.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Secondly
you are not understanding the meaning of the point, because you have
emphasised part of the statement only. The reason that this point does
not appear in the lower descriptors is that this
c<U>haracteristic</U><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> only</SPAN></STRONG> belongs to
a 9 or 10 script, ie the best and the best of the best.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The
'strategy' is NOT NECESSARILY about 'supplying an argument' (although in
<EM><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">some</SPAN></EM> cases
it could be) There are any number of ways the 'appropriate strategy' can be
achieved The minute a list is created, then other strategies, not
envisioned by the maker/s of the list, are excluded but the descriptors are
intended to be open so that students who have high level skills to employ
unusual but effective and highly engaging ways of exploring the text and the
question are not penalised but can be rewarded. The 'strategy' reflects the
student's high level ability to engage with the issues of the text and topic
, the way the issues are raised by the author, the way meaning is created
for the audience... in short it is about insightful ways of
thinking</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Gail</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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<A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] on behalf of <A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com" target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A> [<A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 13 July 2012
9:16 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'VCE English Teachers' Mailing
List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I’m sorry you seem
to think I’m playing around here Mary. I explained earlier why I think this
is an important issue. The term <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the basis of the
text</SPAN></STRONG> is increasingly looking like a set of weasel words to
me and in the pursuit of clarity I intend to continue to ask what it
means. Your sentence, </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
basis of the text can give rise to multiple meanings of it.
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Might
be more simply and clearly be written as</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">‘the
text can give rise to multiple readings’. I still have no idea what is
meant by <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the basis
of the text.</SPAN></STRONG> ‘Basis’ implies a foundation, as I said before
its one thing. What is the foundation of Macbeth? perhaps it is the text
itself. Now this is circular and clearly unhelpful. I suggest again that the
phrase as it stands in the descriptor is redundant, as it is in your
sentence.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Secondly, if a
strategy is supplying an argument, then why doesn’t the descriptor mention
the word argument in its stead. One would expect the ability to supply an
argument to be a feature of middle ranking papers as well as the 9-10 grade
where it singularly appears. Further to this, I would be looking for an
‘effective’ argument, not being sure what an appropriate one
is...</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">But thanks for
your input so far.... I understand if feel you can’t continue and prefer to
simply disagree.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=mary.mason@bigpond.com href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>Mary Mason</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:32 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
think you are now playing with words. The basis of the text can give rise to
multiple meanings of it. I can argue about Macbeth from a feminist
perspective; I can argue that he is beguiled by the witches and his wife; I
can argue that he has created a weaker <BR>Scotland; and so on. In each case
I am using the text as the basis but I am giving it an angle, or following a
particular perspective. In terms of strategy, as a marker, you look for an
argument and how appropriately students have argued. I think students do
make choices about what strategy to adopt and when there is congruence with
what they are arguing, it is magic. Russell, perhaps we just
disagree.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mary</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US> <A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B><A href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 12 July 2012
10:06 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'VCE English Teachers' Mailing
List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi Mary; and
thanks for the response...</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I think what
you’ve written actually highlights one of the aspects of the issue: you
write that you’re guessing twice and presuming once in your interpretation
of this, I would argue, poorly written descriptor.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">If I understand
you correctly you’re suggesting that the idea of multiple readings
constitute the basis of the text. As I understand it a basis is one thing,
so I’m not sure if this is possible.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">You go on to argue
that ‘appropriateness’ suggests choices, but the descriptor specifically
mention an appropriate strategy, not that students would put up one
strategy, and then another, then demonstrate that they’ve chosen one.
Anyway, what I want know is what is such an appropriate strategy and, by
definition, what is an inappropriate one. Two responses so for have tried to
argue that relevance her might be the discriminating element here. Gail
suggested that students can wonder off topic. Her example was the
<EM><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Years of
Wonders</SPAN></EM> one where students might talk in general terms about the
plague in London and forget the setting of the text being Eyam. This hardly
seems like an issue to do with a highly graded paper. The American novel
containing flashbacks seems like students need to deal with a fairly clear
structural element within the text: time shifts. I haven’t read it
myself so I cant comment on the complexity of it... but the issue is, again,
not one of complexity, but of the two elements <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">an appropriate
strategy</SPAN></STRONG> in dealing with the topic and what is
<STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the basis of the
text</SPAN></STRONG>. As far as I can see no clear explanation has been
arrived at.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=mary.mason@bigpond.com href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>Mary Mason</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:36 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi
- I am not an assessor now but given that there are multiple readings of
texts I guess that what this descriptor is saying is that any reading must
be grounded in the text and recognising that such readings will be
different. Presumably the ways in which students interrogate the text should
show the complexity of their response and the choices they deliberately make
to express their reading. Appropriateness suggests they make choices.
For example on Sunday School this week, a teacher talked about the
importance of students not just pursuing the flashbacks of the main
character of the novel to America but the lived in present of his dialogue
with the American. Those students who merely explore the flashbacks without
relating it to present time would not have such a complex reading and may
just be repeating a received reading instead of using all of their knowledge
about the text to tackle the question dynamically. I guess if I were
marking – and I have marked in the past – I would be looking for not only
the capacity of the student to have developed a complex reading of the text
which is supported by that text, but I would be looking at the fluency
through which he or she could express that meaning cogently, and succinctly
using appropriate metalanguage which is at the same time evocative of the
language of the novel. The very best answers use language so well. I have
also marked literature as well and in both cases originality and complexity
of reading matched by excellent fluency are the hallmarks of top answers.
Why is the basis of the text not in other levels? Well it should be but it
is only in those high answers that the response is controlled and the
student is making choices about appropriate strategies.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Cheers</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mary</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US> <A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B><A href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 12 July 2012
1:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Wondering if
there’s any other assessors on this thread who care to comment on the
descriptor in question... Personally, and professionally I might add, I find
this an interesting issue. If these descriptors hold any weight at all in
the assessment process then don’t we have an obligation to understand them;
or if they are poorly written then at least identify their shortcomings and
deal with it...?</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The key questions
once again are: What is <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the basis of the text?
</SPAN></STRONG>For instance, what is the basis of, say, <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Cat’s Eye</SPAN></EM>? And what
is meant by <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">an
appropriate strategy</SPAN></STRONG> for dealing with it (ie the topic) and
why is there no need for a strategy (appropriate or otherwise) below the
9-10 range?</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=rdf4@bigpond.com href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:14 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi
Gail</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks for
contributing to this thread. </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Just to be clear,
it’s dot point 2 in the 8-10 range I’m referring to. I suppose good, clear
writing is what I’m concerned about here. Firstly, if someone could
explain to me what <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the basis of the text
</SPAN></STRONG>is<STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">,</SPAN></STRONG> why it is
considered so important then maybe we could then discuss profitable ways of
teaching to it. For instance, what is the basis of the text Cat’s Eye by
Margaret Atwood? Secondly, what is meant by an <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">appropriate
strategy</SPAN></STRONG> and why aren't students below the 9-10 range
considered to need one, appropriate or otherwise?</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I don’t have any
anxieties about the discrepancy rates or lack thereof, just thinking that we
need to know exactly what is going on in the language and syntax of this
descriptor. Gail’s point about students thinking they are meeting the
[wider] implications surely become an issue when no such implications are
referred to in the examination criteria.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=reynolds.gail.g@edumail.vic.gov.au
href="mailto:reynolds.gail.g@edumail.vic.gov.au" target=_blank>Reynolds,
Gail G</A> </SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:57 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi
Russell,</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
think the point of the phrase is that the weaker students will often go off
into tangents separating their exploration of the iissues from the text
itself; so for example a <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Year of Wonders</SPAN></EM>
response might wander off into a discussion of the plague in general terms,
say, how many were killed in London, which is irrelevant to the text which
is set (apparently) in Eyam an isolated small village well away from
London. The student themselves may think they are meeting the wider
implications criteria, but they are not addressing the text. The
phrase which worries you is a reminder to the Assessors that these
discussions need to be in a context which has a substantial link to the
content of the text. (Remember that these criteria are not the ones given on
the exam paper but intended for the assessors -- a process I think is
somewhat duplicitous ... but that is another issue altogether)</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You
should also consider that the assessors make 'on balance' decisions in a
process which is holistic marking, ie markers don't tick off criteria as
such, but use them as a guide for their marking. An experienced assessor
will use these criteria to differentiate scripts, but two responses may
receive the same marks although the degree to which they meet each of the
stated criteria may show greater strength in one area over another when
compared one to the other. It sounds complex, but English has a very
low discrepancy rate (assessors disagreeing) </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Gail</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class=MsoNormal align=center><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">
<HR align=center SIZE=2 width="100%">
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] on behalf of <A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com" target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A> [<A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 10 July 2012
11:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English]
expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hello Julie and
thanks for your response...</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I don’t have an
issue with the key words you identify... though I have a nagging feeling
that the phrase “ from the basis of the text” is redundant. I mean the exam
topic itself invariably refers to the text. Unless it’s referring to
something else, I don’t understand why it’s there. Also your point
about “understanding the text in the wider world”... isn't this a C&P
feature rather than a R&R one? My understanding of an R&R response
is that it deals with the world of the text, not real world
elements...</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I also wonder what
is meant by “an appropriate strategy for dealing with it” ... ie the topic;
and why marks below 8 don’t need a strategy, appropriate or otherwise.
>From your point of view what would such an appropriate strategy
be? Perhaps others also have thoughts on this?</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks
again,</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=bookjewel6@gmail.com href="mailto:bookjewel6@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Julie</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Monday, July 09, 2012 8:50 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>mailto:english@edulists.com.au</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi
Russell,</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The key words in
this description, for me, are: 'implications', 'exploring' and
'complexity'. The thinking associated with these words is quite
sophisticated. While we hope that all students respond 'from the basis
of the text' it is usually clear that the best responses take the ideas so
much further. The basic response 'describes' the ideas in the topic while
the best response moves way beyond this and understands the text in the
wider world. </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">It is hard to
explain but when you see the difference in student responses the difference
is more obvious.<BR><BR>Regards, </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Julie
Squires</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><BR>On 09/07/2012,
at 12:42 PM, <<A href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I’m looking at
the 2011 Expected Qualities (Reading and Responding) for exam markers and
wonder what people understand by the term... “Demonstrates an
understanding of the implications of the topic...exploring its complexity
<STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">from the basis
of the text</SPAN></STRONG>.” I note that this expected quality is
only referred to in the 8-10 mark range. One would like to think
that most students would use the text as the basis for their response; or
am I missing the point...?</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><A
title=http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf"
target=_blank>http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf</A></SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=lorrainepaul@hotmail.com href="mailto:lorrainepaul@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>Lorraine Paul</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Sunday, July 08, 2012 7:58 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<A title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Re: [English] VCE English Teachers and Coordinators</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><BR>Thanks Mary.
I teach in an independent school. It's nice when you have forums like
this. All the best!<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: #1f497d">Lorraine </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From: <A
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A><BR>Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012
09:21:46 +1000<BR>Subject: Re: [English] VCE English Teachers and
Coordinators</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Lorraine
- I’m sorry. You need to have an edumail address to access the site. You
can be a crt teacher or an employee in a state school.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mary</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black" lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Lorraine Paul<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 7 July 2012 11:15
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English]
VCE English Teachers and Coordinators</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>Hello
Mary,</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Is
this open only to State School Teachers ?<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: #1f497d">Lorraine </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">! </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Date:
Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:58:49 +1000<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:mcclenaghan.douglas.j@edumail.vic.gov.au"
target=_blank>mcclenaghan.douglas.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A><BR>Subject: Re: [English] VCE
English Teachers and Coordinators</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hello
Mary</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Yes,
I am certainly interested in this. Sign me up.</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Yours</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Douglas
McClenaghan<BR><BR>>>> Mary Mason<<A
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A>> 7/06/2012 11:13 AM
>>></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dear
VCE teachers</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
am working with a group for the Department of Education on designing
course materials for Years 11 and 12 VCE English for State School
Teachers. We are also working on a site on! the Ultranet for teachers new
to VCE English. This site will provide excellent materials for teachers;
provide opportunities for them to ask questions of experienced VCE
teachers; participate in a forum with other teachers; and opportunities to
access virtual discussions/lectures on aspects of the course. We are also
hopeful that there could be a forum on it for collaborative research for
VIT projects. We would like to have about 30 teachers from state schools
,who are presently teaching VCE, who would be willing to trial and
help us to build the site so it will be helpful for teachers.
Participation will count towards professional development time and
will, I think, be most interesting. If you are a CRT teacher you are
welcome to join as well. I know it is diffi! cult sometimes for you to
pick up professional development hours. Please contact me directly on my
email: <A href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A> if you are able to participate.
The trial will be in Term 3 and will involve you loggi! ng
into the site, participating in some of the forums, and feeding back to us
your comments.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Best
wishes</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Mary
Mason</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Consultant
to the Ultranet</SPAN><SPAN
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