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<DIV>Hi Mary; and thanks for the response...</DIV>
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<DIV>I think what you’ve written actually highlights one of the aspects of the
issue: you write that you’re guessing twice and presuming once in your
interpretation of this, I would argue, poorly written descriptor.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If I understand you correctly you’re suggesting that the idea of multiple
readings constitute the basis of the text. As I understand it a basis is
one thing, so I’m not sure if this is possible.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You go on to argue that ‘appropriateness’ suggests choices, but the
descriptor specifically mention an appropriate strategy, not that students would
put up one strategy, and then another, then demonstrate that they’ve chosen one.
Anyway, what I want know is what is such an appropriate strategy and, by
definition, what is an inappropriate one. Two responses so for have tried to
argue that relevance her might be the discriminating element here. Gail
suggested that students can wonder off topic. Her example was the
<EM>Years of Wonders</EM> one where students might talk in general terms about
the plague in London and forget the setting of the text being Eyam. This hardly
seems like an issue to do with a highly graded paper. The American novel
containing flashbacks seems like students need to deal with a fairly clear
structural element within the text: time shifts. I haven’t read it myself
so I cant comment on the complexity of it... but the issue is, again, not one of
complexity, but of the two elements <STRONG>an appropriate strategy</STRONG> in
dealing with the topic and what is <STRONG>the basis of the text</STRONG>.
As far as I can see no clear explanation has been arrived at.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks </DIV>
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<DIV>Russell</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mary.mason@bigpond.com
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com">Mary Mason</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:36 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=english@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] expected qualities</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi
- I am not an assessor now but given that there are multiple readings of texts I
guess that what this descriptor is saying is that any reading must be grounded
in the text and recognising that such readings will be different. Presumably the
ways in which students interrogate the text should show the complexity of their
response and the choices they deliberately make to express their reading.
Appropriateness suggests they make choices. For example on Sunday School
this week, a teacher talked about the importance of students not just pursuing
the flashbacks of the main character of the novel to America but the lived in
present of his dialogue with the American. Those students who merely explore the
flashbacks without relating it to present time would not have such a complex
reading and may just be repeating a received reading instead of using all of
their knowledge about the text to tackle the question dynamically. I guess
if I were marking – and I have marked in the past – I would be looking for not
only the capacity of the student to have developed a complex reading of the text
which is supported by that text, but I would be looking at the fluency through
which he or she could express that meaning cogently, and succinctly using
appropriate metalanguage which is at the same time evocative of the language of
the novel. The very best answers use language so well. I have also marked
literature as well and in both cases originality and complexity of reading
matched by excellent fluency are the hallmarks of top answers. Why is the basis
of the text not in other levels? Well it should be but it is only in those high
answers that the response is controlled and the student is making choices about
appropriate strategies.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Cheers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mary<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>
english-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>rdf4@bigpond.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 12 July 2012 1:20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[English] expected qualities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Wondering if there’s
any other assessors on this thread who care to comment on the descriptor in
question... Personally, and professionally I might add, I find this an
interesting issue. If these descriptors hold any weight at all in the assessment
process then don’t we have an obligation to understand them; or if they are
poorly written then at least identify their shortcomings and deal with
it...?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The key questions once
again are: What is <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the basis of the text?
</SPAN></STRONG>For instance, what is the basis of, say, <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Cat’s Eye</SPAN></EM>? And what is
meant by <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">an
appropriate strategy</SPAN></STRONG> for dealing with it (ie the topic) and why
is there no need for a strategy (appropriate or otherwise) below the 9-10
range?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=rdf4@bigpond.com href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:14 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">VCE English
Teachers' Mailing List</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[English] expected qualities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi
Gail<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks for
contributing to this thread. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Just to be clear, it’s
dot point 2 in the 8-10 range I’m referring to. I suppose good, clear writing is
what I’m concerned about here. Firstly, if someone could explain to me
what <STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">the basis of the
text </SPAN></STRONG>is<STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">,</SPAN></STRONG> why it is
considered so important then maybe we could then discuss profitable ways of
teaching to it. For instance, what is the basis of the text Cat’s Eye by
Margaret Atwood? Secondly, what is meant by an <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">appropriate strategy</SPAN></STRONG>
and why aren't students below the 9-10 range considered to need one, appropriate
or otherwise?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I don’t have any
anxieties about the discrepancy rates or lack thereof, just thinking that we
need to know exactly what is going on in the language and syntax of this
descriptor. Gail’s point about students thinking they are meeting the [wider]
implications surely become an issue when no such implications are referred to in
the examination criteria.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=reynolds.gail.g@edumail.vic.gov.au
href="mailto:reynolds.gail.g@edumail.vic.gov.au">Reynolds, Gail G</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:57 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">VCE English
Teachers' Mailing List</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[English] expected qualities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi
Russell,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
think the point of the phrase is that the weaker students will often go off into
tangents separating their exploration of the iissues from the text itself; so
for example a <EM><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Year of
Wonders</SPAN></EM> response might wander off into a discussion of the
plague in general terms, say, how many were killed in London, which is
irrelevant to the text which is set (apparently) in Eyam an isolated small
village well away from London. The student themselves may think they are
meeting the wider implications criteria, but they are not addressing the
text. The phrase which worries you is a reminder to the Assessors that
these discussions need to be in a context which has a substantial link to the
content of the text. (Remember that these criteria are not the ones given on the
exam paper but intended for the assessors -- a process I think is somewhat
duplicitous ... but that is another issue altogether)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You
should also consider that the assessors make 'on balance' decisions in a process
which is holistic marking, ie markers don't tick off criteria as such, but use
them as a guide for their marking. An experienced assessor will use these
criteria to differentiate scripts, but two responses may receive the same marks
although the degree to which they meet each of the stated criteria may show
greater strength in one area over another when compared one to the other.
It sounds complex, but English has a very low discrepancy rate (assessors
disagreeing) <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Gail<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au">english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>
[english-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of <A
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</A>
[rdf4@bigpond.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au">english@edulists.com.au</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [English] expected qualities</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hello Julie and thanks
for your response...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I don’t have an issue
with the key words you identify... though I have a nagging feeling that the
phrase “ from the basis of the text” is redundant. I mean the exam topic itself
invariably refers to the text. Unless it’s referring to something else, I
don’t understand why it’s there. Also your point about “understanding the
text in the wider world”... isn't this a C&P feature rather than a R&R
one? My understanding of an R&R response is that it deals with the world of
the text, not real world elements...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I also wonder what is
meant by “an appropriate strategy for dealing with it” ... ie the topic; and why
marks below 8 don’t need a strategy, appropriate or otherwise. >From your point
of view what would such an appropriate strategy be? Perhaps others also
have thoughts on this?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks
again,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=bookjewel6@gmail.com href="mailto:bookjewel6@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Julie</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Monday, July 09, 2012 8:50 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>mailto:english@edulists.com.au</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[English] expected qualities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi
Russell,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The key words in this
description, for me, are: 'implications', 'exploring' and 'complexity'.
The thinking associated with these words is quite sophisticated. While we
hope that all students respond 'from the basis of the text' it is usually clear
that the best responses take the ideas so much further. The basic response
'describes' the ideas in the topic while the best response moves way beyond this
and understands the text in the wider world. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">It is hard to explain
but when you see the difference in student responses the difference is more
obvious.<BR><BR>Regards, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Julie
Squires<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><BR>On 09/07/2012, at
12:42 PM, <<A href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>rdf4@bigpond.com</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I’m looking at the
2011 Expected Qualities (Reading and Responding) for exam markers and wonder
what people understand by the term... “Demonstrates an understanding of the
implications of the topic...exploring its complexity <STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">from the basis of the
text</SPAN></STRONG>.” I note that this expected quality is only
referred to in the 8-10 mark range. One would like to think that most
students would use the text as the basis for their response; or am I missing
the point...?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><A
title=http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf"
target=_blank>http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Russell</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=lorrainepaul@hotmail.com href="mailto:lorrainepaul@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>Lorraine Paul</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Sunday, July 08, 2012 7:58 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=english@edulists.com.au href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[English] VCE English Teachers and
Coordinators<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><BR>Thanks Mary. I
teach in an independent school. It's nice when you have forums like this. All
the best!<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: #1f497d">Lorraine </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class=MsoNormal align=center><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<HR id=stopSpelling align=center SIZE=2 width="100%">
</SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From: <A
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A><BR>Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:21:46
+1000<BR>Subject: Re: [English] VCE English Teachers and
Coordinators<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Lorraine
- I’m sorry. You need to have an edumail address to access the site. You can
be a crt teacher or an employee in a state school.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mary</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<P class=ecxmsonormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black" lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Lorraine Paul<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 7 July 2012 11:15
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [English] VCE
English Teachers and Coordinators</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>Hello
Mary,</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Is
this open only to State School Teachers ?<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; COLOR: #1f497d">Lorraine </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class=MsoNormal align=center><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">! </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" class=MsoNormal align=center><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<HR align=center SIZE=2 width="100%">
</SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Date:
Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:58:49 +1000<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:mcclenaghan.douglas.j@edumail.vic.gov.au"
target=_blank>mcclenaghan.douglas.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>english@edulists.com.au</A><BR>Subject: Re: [English] VCE
English Teachers and Coordinators</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hello
Mary</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Yes,
I am certainly interested in this. Sign me up.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Yours</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Douglas
McClenaghan<BR><BR>>>> Mary Mason<<A
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A>> 7/06/2012 11:13 AM
>>></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dear
VCE teachers</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I am
working with a group for the Department of Education on designing course
materials for Years 11 and 12 VCE English for State School Teachers. We are
also working on a site on! the Ultranet for teachers new to VCE English. This
site will provide excellent materials for teachers; provide opportunities for
them to ask questions of experienced VCE teachers; participate in a forum with
other teachers; and opportunities to access virtual discussions/lectures on
aspects of the course. We are also hopeful that there could be a forum on it
for collaborative research for VIT projects. We would like to have about 30
teachers from state schools ,who are presently teaching VCE, who would
be willing to trial and help us to build the site so it will be helpful for
teachers. Participation will count towards professional development time
and will, I think, be most interesting. If you are a CRT teacher you are
welcome to join as well. I know it is diffi! cult sometimes for you to pick up
professional development hours. Please contact me directly on my email: <A
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com" target=_blank>mary.mason@bigpond.com</A>
if you are able to participate. The trial will be in Term 3 and
will involve you loggi! ng into the site, participating in some of the
forums, and feeding back to us your comments.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Best
wishes</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Mary
Mason</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxmsonormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Consultant
to the Ultranet</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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