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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam Barbary<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 18 December 2012 9:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> elearning Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [elearning] TeachMeet in a Pub - Sat 2 Feb 2013<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">I think the points made in a previous post could do with a little more clarification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">1. Enterprise wireless is supported in Android from version 2, what is missing is support documentation for this. The setup procedure for some devices is confusing,
as it looks like you are configuring for standard WPA. However there are apps that can do the job for you if you like. <a href="http://nickescobedo.com/222/connect-android-to-a-wpa2-enterprise-wireless-network">http://nickescobedo.com/222/connect-android-to-a-wpa2-enterprise-wireless-network</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">2. Openess leads to security issues? I hope I read this wrong. Openess is what makes security stronger. Its one of the reasons most of the Internet is hosted on
Linux/Apache. Of course, If we're talking policies on the market place, we may need to look closer. Apple's lengthy approval process still allows for questionable apps, as nobody is going to scour the code completely. Yes Android allows for apps outside the
market, but this is a boon if you're teaching students to write their own apps. As for data security, neither Android nor Apple iOS are good in this area, although Apple is worse on data leakage. <a href="http://www.zonealarm.com/blog/index.php/2011/03/androidiphone-apps-breach-users-privacy">http://www.zonealarm.com/blog/index.php/2011/03/androidiphone-apps-breach-users-privacy</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">3. Yes, this is a sad reality of constant development. It's also why Apple drops older models of their devices quickly from their upgrade cycle. Expect your shiny
Apple devices to be obsolete after a couple of models. Android device suppliers need to be better address the discrepancy with versions and hardware, but if you're in charge of which devices you support, this is less of a problem. But how many fart apps do
you really need? <span class="apple-style-span"><a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-new-review-guidelines-thoughts-on-fart-apps/2410">http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-new-review-guidelines-thoughts-on-fart-apps/2410</a></span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">4. Cost savings. Really? It would depend on your supplier, but there is very little in it. Apple has just upgraded its iPad, and the Galaxy tablets are still very
similar (just not as cool <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/09/uk-judge-says-galaxy-tab-not-as-cool-as-ipad-awards-samsung-w">
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/09/uk-judge-says-galaxy-tab-not-as-cool-as-ipad-awards-samsung-w</a>/), even though they're several months older. Again there is also the feature range to take into account. Would you prefer a retina display or a USB port? You
also have many models and price points for Android, this choice is somewhat limited with Apple. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">5. Community. iOS has definitely been in the market longer and has more established writers. The quality of apps though, well they've have put a cap on fart apps. However,
with Android sales storming ahead, this early start is unlikely to maintain an advantage. <a href="http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/05/ipad-vs-android-tablet-market.html#.UM6aQ7bB_m0">http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/05/ipad-vs-android-tablet-market.html#.UM6aQ7bB_m0</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">In relation to the openness comment above, the closed nature of Apple also leads to some strange unknown operations in iOS that frustrate app devs. Take the iOS
feature that determines when to shut an app down. In Android you get a pop up asking if you want to close and wait, in iOS nothing. You've heard of Moodle I'm sure, try the mTouch app. Looks good, and you need it because of the lack of file system on iOS.
However, try and upload a video of more than a few minutes. The device determines that the operation is taking too long/using too much CPU/Memory (who actually knows?), force closes the app. The poor dev can't code around it because Apple won't tell him what
determinants are being used to shut down the app. I have this direct from the dev himself. "</span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">This is a limitation or a convenience forced by iOS. iOS task
manager simply kills apps using more memory or CPU than the allowed limit. The bad part is Apple does not give any details about the algorithm or limits I have mentioned"</span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">It doesn't matter which way you side, Apple or Android. They both have issues and benefits. Personally I'd much rather have an open system than a closed one, but
am happy to play with iOS devices as much as I do with Android. I think choice is the way. What the apps do should be more important than the system they run on. And before anyone jumps on the Apple is easier/better interface bandwagon, for a little fun, try
setting up a brand new Mac Mini as a server. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">Centre for Learning Innovation and Professional Practice</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><Robinson>, Jarrod J <<a href="mailto:robinson.jarrod.j@edumail.vic.gov.au">robinson.jarrod.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>elearning Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:elearning@edulists.com.au">elearning@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 17 December 2012 1:47 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>elearning Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:elearning@edulists.com.au">elearning@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [elearning] TeachMeet in a Pub - Sat 2 Feb 2013<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">1- most versions of the android software don't allow enterprise wireless connection. This rules out connecting to edustar wireless in most cases<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">2- the openness of the android system leads to security issues. Fraudulent apps and data mining is rife in the android world with educational apps targeting kids
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">3- device segmentation leads to less actual apps in the store. Reason being that it becomes increasingly difficult to program android devices<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">4- cost. iPad vs Samsung Galaxy tab = iPad win. Any other android tablet is not even worth comparison. Except the google nexus which won't connect to edustar <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans","serif";color:black">5- community. Thousands of educators all using iPads in education, lots of best practice examples and resources<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Dec 17, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Taylor, Charmaine C" <<a href="mailto:taylor.charmaine.c@edumail.vic.gov.au">taylor.charmaine.c@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Does anyone use Samsung Tablets as 24/7 1:1 computing devices for their students? We have netbooks for most year levels but the apparent loss of NSSCF funding
means we can’t afford to provide netbooks for all levels next year. I was wondering if we might use tablets.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[<a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roland Gesthuizen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 13 December 2012 6:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List; eLearning mailing list<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Celia Coffa<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [elearning] TeachMeet in a Pub - Sat 2 Feb 2013</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">G'day fellow ICT educators<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I am hosting the next Teachmeet in a Pub. (now that made you sit up and pay attention) Yes, a #Melbourne pub! You don't have to drink, you can stand around eating peanuts and drinking water if you like. Otherwise,
join me to raise a toast to the new year and join me for some nosh afterwards. All the badly dressed IS and ITA teachers will be there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">As it is early 2013, it is a good idea to stick the date in your diary. To register interest or offer to run a 2 min talk on a soap box, just add your details to the honour role.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Love to have you on board or to answer any burning questions you may have. My shout :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Roland Gesthuizen</b> | eLearning Leader <br>
Keysborough College DEECD<br>
<a href="http://about.me/rgesthuizen">http://about.me/rgesthuizen</a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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