<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thank you Adam<div><br></div><div>Universities etc have already successfully grappled with BYOD...<div><br></div><div>Adam's points below indicate the depth of knowledge out there already. </div><div>Why are <b>We</b> as secondary educators trying to rediscover the wheel?</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On 18/12/2012, at 9:04 AM, Adam Barbary <<a href="mailto:at.barbary@ballarat.edu.au">at.barbary@ballarat.edu.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div style="font-family: 'Gill Sans', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">1. Enterprise wireless is supported in Android from version 2, what is missing is support documentation for this. The setup procedure for some devices is confusing, as it looks like you are
configuring for standard WPA. However there are apps that can do the job for you if you like. <a href="http://nickescobedo.com/222/connect-android-to-a-wpa2-enterprise-wireless-network">http://nickescobedo.com/222/connect-android-to-a-wpa2-enterprise-wireless-network</a></div>
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<div style="font-family: 'Gill Sans', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">2. Openess leads to security issues? I hope I read this wrong. Openess is what makes security stronger. Its one of the reasons most of the Internet is hosted on Linux/Apache. Of course, If
we're talking policies on the market place, we may need to look closer. Apple's lengthy approval process still allows for questionable apps, as nobody is going to scour the code completely. Yes Android allows for apps outside the market, but this is a boon
if you're teaching students to write their own apps. As for data security, neither Android nor Apple iOS are good in this area, although Apple is worse on data leakage. <a href="http://www.zonealarm.com/blog/index.php/2011/03/androidiphone-apps-breach-users-privacy">http://www.zonealarm.com/blog/index.php/2011/03/androidiphone-apps-breach-users-privacy</a></div>
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<div style="font-family: 'Gill Sans', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">3. Yes, this is a sad reality of constant development. It's also why Apple drops older models of their devices quickly from their upgrade cycle. Expect your shiny Apple devices to be obsolete
after a couple of models. Android device suppliers need to be better address the discrepancy with versions and hardware, but if you're in charge of which devices you support, this is less of a problem. But how many fart apps do you really need? <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: 'Gill Sans', sans-serif; "><a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-new-review-guidelines-thoughts-on-fart-apps/2410" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-new-review-guidelines-thoughts-on-fart-apps/2410</a></span></div>
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<div style="font-family: 'Gill Sans', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">4. Cost savings. Really? It would depend on your supplier, but there is very little in it. Apple has just upgraded its iPad, and the Galaxy tablets are still very similar (just not as cool
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/09/uk-judge-says-galaxy-tab-not-as-cool-as-ipad-awards-samsung-w</a>/), even though they're several months older. Again there is also the feature range to take into account. Would you prefer a retina display or a USB port? You
also have many models and price points for Android, this choice is somewhat limited with Apple. </div>
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<div style="font-family: 'Gill Sans', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">5. Community. iOS has definitely been in the market longer and has more established writers. The quality of apps though, well they've have put a cap on fart apps. However, with Android sales
storming ahead, this early start is unlikely to maintain an advantage. <a href="http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/05/ipad-vs-android-tablet-market.html#.UM6aQ7bB_m0">http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2012/05/ipad-vs-android-tablet-market.html#.UM6aQ7bB_m0</a></div>
<div style="font-family: 'Gill Sans', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">In relation to the openness comment above, the closed nature of Apple also leads to some strange unknown operations in iOS that frustrate app devs. Take the iOS feature that determines when
to shut an app down. In Android you get a pop up asking if you want to close and wait, in iOS nothing. You've heard of Moodle I'm sure, try the mTouch app. Looks good, and you need it because of the lack of file system on iOS. However, try and upload a video
of more than a few minutes. The device determines that the operation is taking too long/using too much CPU/Memory (who actually knows?), force closes the app. The poor dev can't code around it because Apple won't tell him what determinants are being used to
shut down the app. I have this direct from the dev himself. "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium; ">This is a limitation or a convenience forced by iOS. iOS task manager simply kills apps using more memory or CPU
than the allowed limit. The bad part is Apple does not give any details about the algorithm or limits I have mentioned"</span></div>
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<div style="font-family: 'Gill Sans', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">It doesn't matter which way you side, Apple or Android. They both have issues and benefits. Personally I'd much rather have an open system than a closed one, but am happy to play with iOS
devices as much as I do with Android. I think choice is the way. What the apps do should be more important than the system they run on. And before anyone jumps on the Apple is easier/better interface bandwagon, for a little fun, try setting up a brand new
Mac Mini as a server. :-)</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><Robinson>, Jarrod J <<a href="mailto:robinson.jarrod.j@edumail.vic.gov.au">robinson.jarrod.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, 17 December 2012 1:47 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>elearning Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:elearning@edulists.com.au">elearning@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
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<div>I can't more strongly not support the use of android tablets in educational settings for various reasons. I say this having worked in both sides of the fence developing apps for both iphone/iPad and Android</div>
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<div>1- most versions of the android software don't allow enterprise wireless connection. This rules out connecting to edustar wireless in most cases</div>
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<div>2- the openness of the android system leads to security issues. Fraudulent apps and data mining is rife in the android world with educational apps targeting kids and farming data</div>
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<div>3- device segmentation leads to less actual apps in the store. Reason being that it becomes increasingly difficult to program android devices</div>
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<div>4- cost. iPad vs Samsung Galaxy tab = iPad win. Any other android tablet is not even worth comparison. Except the google nexus which won't connect to edustar </div>
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<div>5- community. Thousands of educators all using iPads in education, lots of best practice examples and resources</div>
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On Dec 17, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Taylor, Charmaine C" <<a href="mailto:taylor.charmaine.c@edumail.vic.gov.au">taylor.charmaine.c@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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NSSCF funding means we can’t afford to provide netbooks for all levels next year. I was wondering if we might use tablets.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Charmaine Taylor<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<b>Cc:</b> Celia Coffa<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [elearning] TeachMeet in a Pub - Sat 2 Feb 2013<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I am hosting the next Teachmeet in a Pub. (now that made you sit up and pay attention) Yes, a #Melbourne pub! You don't have to drink, you can stand around eating peanuts and drinking water if you like. Otherwise, join me to raise a toast
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">If you are wondering what is a TeachMeet, well you have to come to find out. They are informal, fun, very informative and a growing movement.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">As it is early 2013, it is a good idea to stick the date in your diary. To register interest or offer to run a 2 min talk on a soap box, just add your details to the honour role.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> <a href="http://teachmeetmelbourne.wikispaces.com/2013+-+Feb+2">http://teachmeetmelbourne.wikispaces.com/2013+-+Feb+2</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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