<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://66/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">it is the bottom line<div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; ">Bottom line.....find some techs worth their $s (not so easy)</span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; "> </span></div><div><br></div><div>most good techs do not want to stay in schools because of the money; many tech support companies move their "most improved" techs out of schools and into the business world where they earn lots more (for them and tech support company) As a TAFE Assessor I saw this happen quite a bit in cert 4 in IT and even the students doing ASBAs cert 3 in IT were aiming to not be in schools</div><div><br></div><div>Ultimately we have to get the techs to share --> as generously as members of these lists share --> some do share but not like on these lists.</div><div><br></div><div>Generally we, as IT teachers, stay in schools because we enjoy teaching or have a "vocation" to use a really old fashioned word (are you out there Mr Hind?)</div><div><br></div><div>Many techs are not student orientated, their "vocation" is not about learning and teaching, not about inspiring success etc etc. it is about running computer gear and networks. students spend a lot of time stuffing things up deliberately and many teachers do so accidentally.</div><div>As a tech that can be very frustrating - business people do not sabotage their own networks and generally pay better !!</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); white-space: pre; "> </span><font color="#ff0000">Bottom line.....find some techs worth their $s (not so easy)</font><font color="#11053b"> and KEEP them</font></span></div><div><br></div><div>Andrew </div><div><br></div><div>(off the soap box for now --> yes i want more money but I feel SSOs are woefully underpaid and most techs are just paid as SSOs)</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On 17/12/2012, at 10:13 PM, "Hutchison, Geoffrey G" <<a href="mailto:hutchison.geoffrey.g@edumail.vic.gov.au">hutchison.geoffrey.g@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: red; ">Ahem</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Geoff<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">McGuire College<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:elearning-<a href="mailto:bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Robinson, Jarrod J<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, 17 December 2012 1:48 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>elearning Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [elearning] TeachMeet in a Pub - Sat 2 Feb 2013<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I can't more strongly not support the use of android tablets in educational settings for various reasons. I say this having worked in both sides of the fence developing apps for both iphone/iPad and Android<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">1- most versions of the android software don't allow enterprise wireless connection. This rules out connecting to edustar wireless in most cases<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color: red; ">Android ICS allows enterprise connection</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">2- the openness of the android system leads to security issues. Fraudulent apps and data mining is rife in the android world with educational apps targeting kids and farming data<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color: red; ">Heavens....hadn’t heard that threat before of any OS<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">3- device segmentation leads to less actual apps in the store. Reason being that it becomes increasingly difficult to program android devices<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color: red; ">Gobble-de-gook</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">4- cost. iPad vs Samsung Galaxy tab = iPad win. Any other android tablet is not even worth comparison. Except the google nexus which won't connect to edustar<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">.</span> <span style="color: red; ">Whaoa....tested them all have you?</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">5- community. Thousands of educators all using iPads in education, lots of best practice examples and resources<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color: red; ">Yeah, yeah, sure.....yawn</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: red; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: red; ">Btw, heaps of win 8 tablets about to hit the market.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: red; "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: red; ">Bottom line.....find some techs worth their $s (not so easy) and android, or any other solution, is an option.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Jarrod <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br>Sent from my iPhone<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span style="color: red; ">(ahem)</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>On Dec 17, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Taylor, Charmaine C" <<a href="mailto:taylor.charmaine.c@edumail.vic.gov.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">taylor.charmaine.c@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Does anyone use Samsung Tablets as 24/7 1:1 computing devices for their students? We have netbooks for most year levels but the apparent loss of NSSCF funding means we can’t afford to provide netbooks for all levels next year. I was wondering if we might use tablets.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Charmaine Taylor</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Roland Gesthuizen<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, 13 December 2012 6:33 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List; eLearning mailing list<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Celia Coffa<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[elearning] TeachMeet in a Pub - Sat 2 Feb 2013</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">G'day fellow ICT educators<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I am hosting the next Teachmeet in a Pub. (now that made you sit up and pay attention) Yes, a #Melbourne pub! You don't have to drink, you can stand around eating peanuts and drinking water if you like. Otherwise, join me to raise a toast to the new year and join me for some nosh afterwards. All the badly dressed IS and ITA teachers will be there.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">If you are wondering what is a TeachMeet, well you have to come to find out. They are informal, fun, very informative and a growing movement.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">As it is early 2013, it is a good idea to stick the date in your diary. To register interest or offer to run a 2 min talk on a soap box, just add your details to the honour role.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <a href="http://teachmeetmelbourne.wikispaces.com/2013+-+Feb+2" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://teachmeetmelbourne.wikispaces.com/2013+-+Feb+2</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Love to have you on board or to answer any burning questions you may have. My shout :-)<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Regards Roland @rgesthuizen<br><br><b>Roland Gesthuizen</b> | eLearning Leader <br>Keysborough College DEECD<br><a href="http://about.me/rgesthuizen" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://about.me/rgesthuizen</a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; "><br>"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div></div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b>Important -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>This email and any attachments may be confidential. 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