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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Fantastic conversation..
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And along the lines we have been developing as well…
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We are looking at iPads for the junior levels, and my techs are nutting out some processes for BYOD… for the senior levels, initially<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">They have got the scripting stuff sorted for Macs, PCs, iPads/iPods looking at setting up an isolated wireless spot where the students will be able to log in
and allow certificates to be added to their devices<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">but as yet have not found a simple way to allow android devices, and have not yet looked at windows phones.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Any thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Suz<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roland Gesthuizen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 6 September 2012 9:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> elearning Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [elearning] Query on iPad research [Scanned] [Spam score:8%]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am now inclined to think the same Tim. That we adopt iPads for 7-10 then branch out to a BYOD type program for senior students.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suspect we can expect cheaper devices to flow from both Apple and Android as we seem to have reached a point where we cannot do hugely more with screen resolution, big battery life and cloud connectivity. My guess is that we now need
to watch the AppStore and integration with other devices as I notice happening now to my phone and desktop with my iPad. Good news for educators is that good apps are becoming cross platform .. albet slowly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am curious where the cheaper iPad-mini will slot into the education landscape. Will this be the 1:1 tool that many primary schools have been holding out for?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards Roland<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6 September 2012 09:20, Timothy Kitchen <<a href="mailto:TKitchen@strathcona.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">TKitchen@strathcona.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi again folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Personally, I am leaning towards iPads as the main 1:1 device up to Year 11 but then give students the choice (including the use of smart phones, Andriod Tablets, Windows or Apple laptops) for Year 11 & 12.
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<p class="MsoNormal">A number of schools I have met with this year are also thinking along these lines. The key issue to teacher preparedness and need for well considered user guidelines. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's not difficult to see the advantages of the iPad with 12,000 education apps and counting, many text books now available as either eBooks or pdf, new initiatives such as <a href="https://collusionapp.com/" target="_blank">Collusion</a> being
invented to aide collaborative work and annotations and the list goes on and on ...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The really interesting factor is the decreasing price of Andriod tablets and the inevitable growth in that market (check <a href="http://phandroid.com/2012/05/13/thai-govt-signs-32-8-million-deal-to-purchase-android-tablets-for-education/" target="_blank">this</a> article
about $81 Android tablets in Thailand) - how will Apple compete?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tim Kitchen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 05/09/2012, at 10:47 PM, Kevork Krozian wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Folks,<br>
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A typo below. Unanimous choice for learning, studying and interacting by<br>
the Yr 12s was the laptop/MacBook. None favoured the iPad.<br>
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Kevork Krozian<br>
Edulists Creator Administrator<br>
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">www.edulists.com.au</a><br>
tel: <a href="tel:0419%20356%20034" target="_blank">0419 356 034</a><br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2012 6:43 PM<br>
To: elearning Teachers' Mailing List<br>
Subject: Re: [elearning] Query on iPad research<br>
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Hi Tim,<br>
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A great discussion indeed, and thanks to all the contributors.<br>
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Yes, the ancient Tablets did lead to the scrolls, that eventually led to<br>
the iPad :)<br>
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I absolutely agree about mobile digital interactive devices including<br>
BYODs. They are here. The hard part is how can we make the best use them.<br>
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I actually spoke to my Yr 12 SofDev class who have had Macbooks since Yr 9,<br>
and additionally iPads since Term 2 this year . I asked which device allowed<br>
them to learn, study, interact better. The unanimous response was iPads.<br>
I also asked which device they would use if they were forced to choose one.<br>
You can guess the answer. There were no iPad fans because they can't do much<br>
with it relative to the laptops. Perhaps they are getting old ....<br>
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The question does come back to are any schools using iPads at Yr 7 - 12<br>
and if so how are they delivering the curriculum with iPads at the higher<br>
levels ?<br>
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Kindest Regards<br>
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Kevork<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This has been a fascinating discussion, thank you Kevork for
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<p class="MsoNormal">I tend to agree with Brett's thoughts on the inevitability of small
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<p class="MsoNormal">mobile devices dominating the learning environment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When discussing the possibility of a BYOD approach for our senior
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<p class="MsoNormal">students, one of our Science staff wanted to see quantitative data
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<p class="MsoNormal">students & parents gave me some new grey hairs just thinking about it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The quantitative & qualitative data we have gathered from student &
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<p class="MsoNormal">staff who have been part of our Year 9 iPad program this year has been
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<p class="MsoNormal">interesting. The general trend is that the distraction factor (access
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<p class="MsoNormal">to games & messages) is initially huge but, with good class management
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<p class="MsoNormal">guidelines and the developing maturity of students at this age, the
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<p class="MsoNormal">BTW, I still appreciate the ancient technology of scrolls - data from
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<p class="MsoNormal">scrolls has remained unchanged for thousands of years, how long does a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wasn't the original ancient Torah based on a couple of Tablets???<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That was a great response Ken, very thought provoking! I'm off to
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<p class="MsoNormal">research the Hawthorne effect now! (As opposed to the Collingwood
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<p class="MsoNormal">effect where one suffers from unrealistic optimism :))<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps something that has been overlooked in this discussion, rather
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<p class="MsoNormal">than relatively narrow measures of academic progress, is the affect on
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<p class="MsoNormal">immediate thought was how did I ever learn from this? I suspect this
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<p class="MsoNormal">enjoyed.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.co" target="_blank">elearning-bounces@edulists.co</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">m.au> [mailto:<a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]On Behalf Of ken price<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2012 10:22 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To: elearning Teachers' Mailing List<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [elearning] Query on iPad research ....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Kevork - a very interesting topic.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For a range of reasons it is not common for a pure experimental model
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<p class="MsoNormal">(treatment and control group etc) to be used in educational settings.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Plus, for almost anything involving new technology and students there
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<p class="MsoNormal">is a massive Hawthorne effect - in broad terms students (and teachers)
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<p class="MsoNormal">feel appreciated because they have been given some new toy and some
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<p class="MsoNormal">other students haven't, and this affects their responses. Much of the
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<p class="MsoNormal">derived effects have to be obtained from data obtained in real
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<p class="MsoNormal">classrooms (with all the extraneous variables that involves) by
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<p class="MsoNormal">removing other variables statistically. It's messy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On top of this there is another question that needs to be considered
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<p class="MsoNormal">(in my view anyway). As well as investigating "does this approach
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<p class="MsoNormal">work?" we also need to consider "does this approach produce better
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<p class="MsoNormal">outcomes than spending the equivalent amount in some other way?" ie an
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<p class="MsoNormal">opportunity cost approach.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The question is not as simple as it looks. For example, a school could
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<p class="MsoNormal">invest $1 000 000 a year in ICT or instead hire about 17 MORE teachers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Which would produce the best outcome? Could you convince your school
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<p class="MsoNormal">of this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The really interesting part is when you look at one of the approaches
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<p class="MsoNormal">used in some Chicago and Washington(DC) public schools, where a
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<p class="MsoNormal">different way to use the money was tried. It was, simply, to pay money
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<p class="MsoNormal">directly to students based on their educational performance, the
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<p class="MsoNormal">so-called "pay for grades" scheme. Improve your results, get extra
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<p class="MsoNormal">money - waste your time, get nothing. In some (but not all) settings
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<p class="MsoNormal">this has worked remarkably well. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seehttp://<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Parenting/story?id=6371073&page=1" target="_blank">abcnews.go.com/GMA/Parenting/story?id=6371073&page=1</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">andhttp://<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5635010&page=1" target="_blank">abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5635010&page=1</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">andhttp://<a href="http://www.cps.edu/News/Press_releases/2008/Pages/09_11_2008_PR1.as" target="_blank">www.cps.edu/News/Press_releases/2008/Pages/09_11_2008_PR1.as</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Despite our personal views on the ethics of paying students to
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<p class="MsoNormal">achieve, if we are talking about a significant investment in something
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<p class="MsoNormal">like ICT and claiming it is an efficient way to improve learning, we
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<p class="MsoNormal">need to be able to argue why it is better than (say) a "pay for
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<p class="MsoNormal">grades" scheme. At some stage decisions like this fall into the hands
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<p class="MsoNormal">of beancounters and (to be fair to<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">them) they want to invest money in the best way.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Your other questions re what actual learning takes place is also very
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<p class="MsoNormal">worthwhile, and is the sort of thing that invites personal experiences
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<p class="MsoNormal">from teachers to build an overall picture (rather than a traditional
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<p class="MsoNormal">research model)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for raising these important areas of discussion,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ken<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Kevork Krozian <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><<a href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">kevork@edulists.com.au</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">kevork@edulists.com.au</a>>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Really interesting discussion. You make a great point Ziad.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The barometer I guess for many years has been John Hattie with his
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<p class="MsoNormal">extensive work on "effect size" with 2 groups holding everything else
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<p class="MsoNormal">as constant as possible except the one difference.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Quoting : The most prominent meta-meta-analyst in education is
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<p class="MsoNormal">probablyJohn <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hattie<<a href="http://www.education.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/home/about/staff/j.hatt" target="_blank">http://www.education.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/home/about/staff/j.hatt</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ie>, whose work draws on "a total of about 800 meta-analyses, which
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<p class="MsoNormal">52,637 studies, and provided 146,142 effect sizes [...] these studies
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<p class="MsoNormal">are based on many millions of students" (Hattie, 2009; 15) <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-<a href="http://www.learningandteaching.info/teaching/what_works.htm" target="_blank">http://www.learningandteaching.info/teaching/what_works.htm</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Actually I recently compiled a long list of resources trying to
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<p class="MsoNormal">separate digitization from eLearning - see <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://delicious.com/kkrozian" target="_blank">http://delicious.com/kkrozian</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would be interested to hear further about what learning actually
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<p class="MsoNormal">takes place rather than what application is used. The paper mentioned
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<p class="MsoNormal">by Trudy is really worthwhile and I recommend people have a look at it
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<p class="MsoNormal">as it does try to balance all the views.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would also be very interested to hear from schools who have gone
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<p class="MsoNormal">iPad 7 - 12 and how they have managed delivery of those studies that
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<p class="MsoNormal">require more than what iPads have delivered to date such as VCE IT,
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<p class="MsoNormal">media and existing web based flash based resources such as in LOTE,
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maths, that have not been upgraded to date.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Are any schools using remote desktop from the student iPads to teach
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<p class="MsoNormal">any of these classes ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kevork Krozian<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Edulists Creator Administrator<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">www.edulists.com.au</a><<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.edulists.com.au</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">tel: <a href="tel:0419%20356%20034" target="_blank">0419 356 034</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.co" target="_blank">elearning-bounces@edulists.co</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">m.au> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[mailto:<a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edu" target="_blank">elearning-bounces@edu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://lists.com.au" target="_blank">lists.com.au</a>>]On<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Behalf Of Ziad Baroudi<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 10:51 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To: elearning Teachers' Mailing List<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [elearning] Query on iPad research ....<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many argue that validity in the sense used by scientists cannot exist
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<p class="MsoNormal">in most areas of educational research. I once read something written
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<p class="MsoNormal">by Seymour Papert in which he says that something such as "using a<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">computer"<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">is not a single variable we can study while keeping all else constant.
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<p class="MsoNormal">The whole point of using a computer is that it changes everything.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Even when iPads have been around for a long time and meta-research is
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<p class="MsoNormal">available on their "effect", we will be looking at an average
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<p class="MsoNormal">"effective size" that brings together all kinds of different uses of
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good luck Kevork on finding valid education research. Very little is
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<p class="MsoNormal">and the use of control groups rare.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Virtually all education research is anecdotal in terms of evidence,
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<p class="MsoNormal">and thus invalid in terms of true research.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/09/12 6:24 PM, "Kevork Krozian"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><<a href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">kevork@edulists.com.au</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">kevork@edulists.com.au</a>>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> If I may ask a very broad question, is anyone across recent
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<p class="MsoNormal">achievement/improvement at any level ( primary, secondary, tertiary ) ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Specifically, I am wondering if there is a control group of any type
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<p class="MsoNormal">such as alternate tablets, mobile devices, netbooks, MacBook Air,
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<p class="MsoNormal">Additionally I am wondering if a baseline is used in the study such as "<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">confidence with the use of technology or could read better ( than
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<p class="MsoNormal">what ? not having any technology or having a laptop or working in
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is a topic that has come up in discussion and I am looking for
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<p class="MsoNormal">both research as well as anecdotal evidence from schools on the iPad
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