G"day Kevork,<br><br>We were told we could buy iPads under the NSSCF funding .. not sure if this is because we are an iPad pilot school. Odd, maybe the advice hasnt trickled down or website updated. Its that time of the year with many waiting to meet the new minister etc. This term break we are decking out our admin team with the 3G models. You will be surprised by the list of schools about to kick this off at the start of next year.<br>
<br>I agree that tablet computers have some content creation limitations (just give it time) but they hit a six for many of the things that netbooks try to do. The iPad is no netbook killer but I am increasingly convinced that it is a much better classroom fit including huge 10 hour battery life, small size, instant on (and off), intuitive interface and centralised software repository (ala Ubuntu) (<a href="http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=5763&tag=content;leftCol">reference</a>)<br>
<br>Here is an interesting observation. At a glance I can see what students are doing on their iPads and for them to swing or pass the units around to eyeball. An interesting addon I have seen a protective case that doubles as a stand or wirelss keyboard .. cute :-)<br>
<br>Regards Roland<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Hutchison, Geoffrey G <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hutchison.geoffrey.g@edumail.vic.gov.au">hutchison.geoffrey.g@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div link="blue" vlink="blue" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Clearly the federal government considers iPads acceptable to purchase under NSSCF funding, but the Vic government doesn’t. That means private schools in Vic can buy iPads with NSSCF funds, but government schools can’t.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Control for control’s sake.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Again.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">And don’t get me started on the requirement to buy from the “Panel”.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">cheers,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Geoff Hutchison,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">IT Manager/Coordinator,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">McGuire College,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Shepparton, Vic</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">03 5858 9800</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevork Krozian<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 10 December 2010 12:20 PM<div class="im"><br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br></div><b>Cc:</b> elearning Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [elearning] [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?</span></p>
</div></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU">Hi Folks,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU"> This may be topical as I thought Ipads are considered to be computers under NSSCF funding , but apparently they are not.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU">The email below ( at the bottom by Andrew Weir ) suggests DEEWR considers Ipads as computers for NSSCF funding, but the following suggests it is not (<a href="https://edugate.eduweb.vic.gov.au/Services/IT/ITSupport/Lists/NSSCF%20FAQs/DispForm.aspx?ID=38&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fedugate%2Eeduweb%2Evic%2Egov%2Eau%2FServices%2FIT%2FITSupport%2FPages%2FNSSCF%2Easpx" target="_blank">https://edugate.eduweb.vic.gov.au/Services/IT/ITSupport/Lists/NSSCF%20FAQs/DispForm.aspx?ID=38&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fedugate%2Eeduweb%2Evic%2Egov%2Eau%2FServices%2FIT%2FITSupport%2FPages%2FNSSCF%2Easpx</a> ) – need an edumail account to view the link :</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU"> </span></p><table style="width: 100%;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<tbody><tr><td style="width: 123.75pt; padding: 0cm;" nowrap valign="top" width="165"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Question</span></b></p></td><td style="width: 337.5pt; padding: 0cm;" valign="top" width="450">
<p class="MsoNormal">Can schools purchase Apple iPads using funds provided through the NSSCF? </p></td></tr><tr><td style="width: 123.75pt; padding: 0cm;" nowrap valign="top" width="165"><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="12cce28a2f99a561_SPBookmark_Answer"></a><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Answer</span></b></p>
</td><td style="width: 337.5pt; padding: 0cm;" valign="top" width="450"><p class="MsoNormal">No.<br><br>The iPad is not an approved device on DEECD's purchasing panels as the iPad does not support the eduSTAR standard operating environment which includes more than 60 teaching and learning applications and tools.<br>
<br>DEECD is undertaking an iPad trial for middle year levels in 8 Victorian Government schools to evaluate the potential of the iPad as a learning tool. The DEECD iPad Trial will be conducted over the next 18 months and research results will inform any future technology directions that can enhance teaching and learning outcomes. </p>
</td></tr><tr><td style="width: 123.75pt; padding: 0cm;" nowrap valign="top" width="165"><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="12cce28a2f99a561_SPBookmark_Category"></a><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Category</span></b></p>
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<td style="width: 337.5pt; padding: 0cm;" valign="top" width="450"><p class="MsoNormal">Purchasing </p></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU">Where are we at with this ?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU">Kind Regards</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU">Kevork Krozian</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU">Digital Learning Manager</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU">Forest Hill College</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU"><a href="http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">www.fhc.vic.edu.au</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-AU">tel: 0419 356 034</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>WEIR Andrew<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 August 2010 9:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">Mark,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">(See below my rant)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">This was a statement circulated to the CEO schools. (At the end of my bit)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">We looked at the ipad; they are a nice media consumption device but we were a bit concerned about getting data on and off the device IE USB connectivity, student file space and printing.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">Also word processors and presentation tools are not included in the package so we had to add another Approx $40 to the cost of the device to purchase those apps, I am not sure about site and volume licensing from apple for ipad apps.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">I know things like Google docs could replace the need for the apps such as pages, but with the wireless running at all times battery life gets shortened and the ipad does not charge from a standard charger, it actually requires a 1 amp usb port and I believe most computers max out a 500 – 700ma. So the availability and OHS requirements for the power need to be considered.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">There was also the issue of support and Jail Braking. There are pro’s and cons for custom OS and other things but what then happens to the security of the network. Should schools support devices that have been jail broken and how can we stop students Jail braking the device especially if we let them take the devices home.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">From a LOTE, Humanities and to some point English point of view we did find some major benefits and have not ruled out purchasing two class sets but as the main stream student device we are not totally convinced of version 1 of the ipad. Let’s see what apple says for second generation.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">Some of the pro’s were ITunes university, Ipad books especially Shakespeare and other novels.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">Also at this point we are actually taking a step back from technology and really look at the curriculum so that it is supported and enhanced by whatever “device” we choose.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">Anyway this is only just the opinion of a teacher getting over a bad dose of flu. So happy to see a healthy discussion. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">Andrew</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">*****************************************************************</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">iPad</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">Many schools have also asked if the new iPad would be approved as a ‘computer’ under the DER</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">funding. Initially, the advice from DEEWR was that it was not eligible. However, the following advice was</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">
<span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">received by us on 23 June:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">Many of you have sought advice about whether the new Apple iPad meets eligibility requirements</span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">under the National Secondary School Computer Fund. I would like to advise that DEEWR</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">considers that the iPad does meet the existing definitions of an eligible computer device under</span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">the Fund. An iPad is a particular type of tablet computer and these have been considered as</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">eligible devices since the implementation of the Fund in 2008.</span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">A tablet, including the iPad, allows users to input information via QWERTY typing, it runs word</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">processing and other efficiency applications and it provides a means of accessing information</span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">from the Internet. The major difference between a tablet and a conventional laptop is that the</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">keyboard is a software generated function on a screen rather than a physical object. The iPad</span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">runs different applications from other laptops.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">In summary, DEEWR considers that the iPad, as a tablet, can be purchased under the Fund but</span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">it is a matter for education authorities/schools to decide if the application suite on an iPad meets</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-AU">the educational needs of their students.</span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: navy;" lang="EN-AU"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14.5pt; font-family: "Lucida Calligraphy"; color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">Andrew Weir</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">Information Technology Co-ordinator</span><span style="color: navy;" lang="EN-AU"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: navy;" lang="EN-AU">Thomas Carr College</span><span lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
</div><p><span lang="EN-AU"><br> <a href="http://www.thomascarr.vic.edu.au" title="" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration: none;"><img src="cid:image001.jpg@01CB986F.CCFAC750" border="0" height="84" width="700"></span></a></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div><p class="MsoNormal">
<b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark KELLY<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 August 2010 9:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">A poser just occurred to me as I plan budgets for next year: if we buy iPads, would they count as <i>computers</i> in the annual school ICT inventory (and therefore count towards DEECD's planned 1:1 ratio of year 9-12 students per computer)?<br clear="all">
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