<html><head><base href="x-msg://18/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I think that it is silly to do the trial anyway. Schools should make up their own minds as to how they do/don't see them fitting in with their local environment. Doing a trial on the assumption that what does or doesn't work at a few schools will apply to all schools is daft.<div>My daughter is doing the trial and she loves the thing. She has been creative with it and put together presentations about her work which we sit through together. However, I think that there is lots of room for development in how they work with them.</div><div>For example, she was doing angles the other day and they did a lot of "<b>on</b> iPad" work, but I downloaded an inclinometer app for her and then we went around measuring angles etc around the house and did lots of "<b>with</b> iPad" work.</div><div>Cheers</div><div>Cameron</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 10/12/2010, at 1:22 PM, Baird, Anne P wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Surely the trial is to look at the educational and pedagogical value of iPads in the classroom. It concerns me that many schools are jumping on the iPad bandwagon without looking carefully at the limitations. I think if you asked some of the schools who are trialling them you would find that they see them as a consumption companion device and not something that will replace netbooks or notebooks. Perhaps over time as iPads and other tablet devices develop we will see a change but at this point they are quite limited in their potential for creation.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 73, 122); ">Anne Baird</span></b><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(57, 170, 222); "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black; ">| </span></b><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(146, 208, 80); ">eLearning and Innovation Manager- Ultranet & 1 to 1 Projects<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(146, 208, 80); ">Regional Innovation Liaison Officer</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(146, 208, 80); ">,</span><span><image002.jpg></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(146, 208, 80); "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); ">Loddon Mallee Regional Office</span><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); ">7-15 McLaren St Bendigo 3550<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); ">Department of Education & Early Childhood Development</span><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); ">Office: 03 54403107 Mobile: 0429 041792 alt. Mobile 0417 340276<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); ">Connections 2010<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><a href="https://edugate.eduweb.vic.gov.au/sc/sites/Connections2010" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); ">https://edugate.eduweb.vic.gov.au/sc/sites/Connections2010</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); ">Netbook Trial wiki-<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><a href="http://netbooktrial.wikispaces.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); ">http://netbooktrial.wikispaces.com/</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); ">Wiki:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><a href="http://teaching-with-technology.wikispaces.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); ">http://teaching-with-technology.wikispaces.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Cameron Bell<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 10 December 2010 12:52 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>elearning Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [elearning] [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">You wonder what the point of the trial is when schools are just going ahead and buying them anyway. There are at least two schools I know of that are booklisting them for 2011. So why bother with a trial in the first place?<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Cheers<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Cameron<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">On 10/12/2010, at 12:19 PM, Kevork Krozian wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi Folks,</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> This may be topical as I thought Ipads are considered to be computers under NSSCF funding , but apparently they are not.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The email below ( at the bottom by Andrew Weir ) suggests DEEWR considers Ipads as computers for NSSCF funding, but the following suggests it is not (<a href="https://edugate.eduweb.vic.gov.au/Services/IT/ITSupport/Lists/NSSCF%20FAQs/DispForm.aspx?ID=38&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fedugate%2Eeduweb%2Evic%2Egov%2Eau%2FServices%2FIT%2FITSupport%2FPages%2FNSSCF%2Easpx" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://edugate.eduweb.vic.gov.au/Services/IT/ITSupport/Lists/NSSCF%20FAQs/DispForm.aspx?ID=38&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fedugate%2Eeduweb%2Evic%2Egov%2Eau%2FServices%2FIT%2FITSupport%2FPages%2FNSSCF%2Easpx</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>) – need an edumail account to view the link :</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width: 1135px; "><tbody><tr><td width="165" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 123.75pt; padding-top: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; ">Question</span></b><o:p></o:p></div></div></td><td width="450" valign="top" style="width: 337.5pt; padding-top: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Can schools purchase Apple iPads using funds provided through the NSSCF? <o:p></o:p></div></div></td></tr><tr><td width="165" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 123.75pt; padding-top: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><a name="SPBookmark_Answer"></a><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; ">Answer</span></b><o:p></o:p></div></div></td><td width="450" valign="top" style="width: 337.5pt; padding-top: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">No.<br><br>The iPad is not an approved device on DEECD's purchasing panels as the iPad does not support the eduSTAR standard operating environment which includes more than 60 teaching and learning applications and tools.<br><br>DEECD is undertaking an iPad trial for middle year levels in 8 Victorian Government schools to evaluate the potential of the iPad as a learning tool. The DEECD iPad Trial will be conducted over the next 18 months and research results will inform any future technology directions that can enhance teaching and learning outcomes.<o:p></o:p></div></div></td></tr><tr><td width="165" nowrap="" valign="top" style="width: 123.75pt; padding-top: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><a name="SPBookmark_Category"></a><b><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; ">Category</span></b><o:p></o:p></div></div></td><td width="450" valign="top" style="width: 337.5pt; padding-top: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Purchasing <o:p></o:p></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Where are we at with this ?</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Kind Regards</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Kevork Krozian</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Digital Learning Manager</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Forest Hill College</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><a href="http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.fhc.vic.edu.au</a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">tel: 0419 356 034</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; "><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>WEIR Andrew<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, 5 August 2010 9:54 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Mark,</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">(See below my rant)</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">This was a statement circulated to the CEO schools. (At the end of my bit)</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">We looked at the ipad; they are a nice media consumption device but we were a bit concerned about getting data on and off the device IE USB connectivity, student file space and printing.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Also word processors and presentation tools are not included in the package so we had to add another Approx $40 to the cost of the device to purchase those apps, I am not sure about site and volume licensing from apple for ipad apps.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">I know things like Google docs could replace the need for the apps such as pages, but with the wireless running at all times battery life gets shortened and the ipad does not charge from a standard charger, it actually requires a 1 amp usb port and I believe most computers max out a 500 – 700ma. So the availability and OHS requirements for the power need to be considered.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">There was also the issue of support and Jail Braking. There are pro’s and cons for custom OS and other things but what then happens to the security of the network. Should schools support devices that have been jail broken and how can we stop students Jail braking the device especially if we let them take the devices home.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">From a LOTE, Humanities and to some point English point of view we did find some major benefits and have not ruled out purchasing two class sets but as the main stream student device we are not totally convinced of version 1 of the ipad. Let’s see what apple says for second generation.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Some of the pro’s were ITunes university, Ipad books especially Shakespeare and other novels.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Also at this point we are actually taking a step back from technology and really look at the curriculum so that it is supported and enhanced by whatever “device” we choose.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Anyway this is only just the opinion of a teacher getting over a bad dose of flu. So happy to see a healthy discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">*****************************************************************</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">iPad</span></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Many schools have also asked if the new iPad would be approved as a ‘computer’ under the DER</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">funding. Initially, the advice from DEEWR was that it was not eligible. However, the following advice was</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">received by us on 23 June:</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Many of you have sought advice about whether the new Apple iPad meets eligibility requirements</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">under the National Secondary School Computer Fund. I would like to advise that DEEWR</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">considers that the iPad does meet the existing definitions of an eligible computer device under</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">the Fund. An iPad is a particular type of tablet computer and these have been considered as</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">eligible devices since the implementation of the Fund in 2008.</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">A tablet, including the iPad, allows users to input information via QWERTY typing, it runs word</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">processing and other efficiency applications and it provides a means of accessing information</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">from the Internet. The major difference between a tablet and a conventional laptop is that the</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">keyboard is a software generated function on a screen rather than a physical object. The iPad</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">runs different applications from other laptops.</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">In summary, DEEWR considers that the iPad, as a tablet, can be purchased under the Fund but</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">it is a matter for education authorities/schools to decide if the application suite on an iPad meets</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">the educational needs of their students.</span></i><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: navy; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 14.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Calligraphy'; color: navy; ">Andrew Weir</span></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Information Technology Co-ordinator</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: navy; ">Thomas Carr College</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.thomascarr.vic.edu.au" title="" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="text-decoration: none; "><image001.jpg></span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; "><span lang="EN-US"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mark KELLY<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, 5 August 2010 9:08 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">A poser just occurred to me as I plan budgets for next year: if we buy iPads, would they count as<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>computers</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>in the annual school ICT inventory (and therefore count towards DEECD's planned 1:1 ratio of year 9-12 students per computer)?<br clear="all"><br>--<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Mark Kelly<br>Manager - Information Systems; Reporting Manager<br>McKinnon Secondary College<br>McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia<br>Direct line / Voicemail: 8520 9085<br>School Phone +613 8520 9000, Fax +613 9578 9253<br><a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" style="color: blue; 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