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<div class="PlainText"><font face="tahoma">I am out of the office today but have taken the liberty of sending the paper to the whole list as there have been so many requests. I hope it represents the state of play fairly.</font></div>
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Kerrie Smith<br>
Executive Officer, Education Services Australia<br>
182 Fullarton Rd, DULWICH, SA 5065<br>
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<font face="Tahoma" color="#000000" size="2"><b>From:</b> elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au [elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Shortell [shortell@get2me.net]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 16 November 2010 8:58 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [elearning] email Kerrie directly [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools<br>
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<div>hi all
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<div>perhaps just email her directly <a href="mailto:kerrie.smith@esa.edu.au">kerrie.smith@esa.edu.au</a> - I did, the paper is about 900k .</div>
<div>it is a good read</div>
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<div>Andrew Shortell</div>
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<div>On 16/11/2010, at 8:48 AM, Dickeson, Sharon L wrote:</div>
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<div>I'd like to read your paper on implementing e-texts</div>
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Sharon Dickeson</div>
<div>Norwood secondary college</div>
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On 15/11/2010, at 12:52 PM, "Smith, Kerrie" <<a href="mailto:kerrie.smith@esa.edu.au">kerrie.smith@esa.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">It all basically comes down to what you want the device to do – be a dedicated e-reader, or a multi-function device</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Even as a multi-function device, the iPad really doesn’t replace a computer that has so much more functionality.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Most of the devices really work best in the hands of one person.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I just don’t think we are ready to replace textbooks with iPads – my impression is that the publishing world certainly isn’t ready.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Problems of loaning textbooks have not yet been solved.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If we are talking about a dedicated e-reader then there is a lot of choice, and there will be even more on the market in the coming months.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Where and how you are going to get your e-books are certainly questions to be resolved.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Before anything drastic is done what is seriously needed is teachers who have devices themselves and have developed a wealth of experience in their use (not
just a passing “isn’t this nice” acquaintance) and who can then lead the implementation in their school.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Be aware that whatever device you choose (be it iPad, Kobo, Kindle, Sony, Quokka or more) other brands will appear in your classrooms bought by parents who
are either well meaning or who think the school made the wrong choice. Teachers are going to need a lot of help in implementation.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If you are interested in a paper I have written on what we need to do in order to implement e-texts then let me know and I will email it to you.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">You might also be interested in discussing in your school a couple of Prezis that I’ve created</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">When you access this one
<a href="http://prezi.com/rh-tymtnli2g/e-books-state-of-play-barriers-challenges/" target="_blank">
</a><a href="http://prezi.com/rh-tymtnli2g/e-books-state-of-play-barriers-challenges/" target="_blank">http://prezi.com/rh-tymtnli2g/e-books-state-of-play-barriers-challenges/</a> you’ll see others.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Regards</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Kerrie</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Kerrie Smith</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Executive Officer, Adelaide Office</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Education Services Australia</span></p>
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<a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roland Gesthuizen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 15 November 2010 11:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> elearning Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [elearning] [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it is just an eBook reader, a class set of Kindles is worth a look over. Cheaper than an iPad.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kerry Smith from <a href="http://Education.au/" target="_blank">
Education.au</a> has a discussion group about these devices on EDNA.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.groups.edna.edu.au/course/view.php?id=2497" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.groups.edna.edu.au/course/view.php?id=2497" target="_blank">http://www.groups.edna.edu.au/course/view.php?id=2497</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Regards Roland</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:29 AM, David Eddie <<a href="mailto:deddie@sjcmda.vic.edu.au"></a><a href="mailto:deddie@sjcmda.vic.edu.au">deddie@sjcmda.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have begun to investigate this area as well. The English Domain leader here asked last week could she purchase some iPads for the students who receive Literacy support. They would not be an "individual device for each student" solution
and I can't see that they would be the best alternative.<br>
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I would certainly like to be involved in some way in studying which of these devices, and as you mentioned there seem to be a plethora being developed, will be most suitable and useful.<br>
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David Eddie<br>
VCAL Co-ordinator / eLearning Co-ordinator<br>
St Joseph's College MILDURA</p>
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From: <a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au"></a><a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au"></a><a href="mailto:elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au">elearning-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
On Behalf Of Howard, David<br>
Sent: Sunday, 14 November 2010 10:26 PM<br>
To: elearning Teachers' Mailing List<br>
Subject: Re: [elearning] [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools<br>
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We are looking at possibilities for the future of computing in the classroom. Although the iPad has taken the world by storm, in my opinion it isn't that great.<br>
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Students who have them struggle with video formats and flash websites. Also for learning most of the apps are based at the junior level.<br>
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I am interested in looking into devices which are portable, i.e. more portable than a laptop (yes good english, more portable, I mean tablets, slates etc), and there seems to be a plethora of them coming onto the market. Devices which run android or win 7 look
more appealing especially as the school is already running a heavily windows biased network, although many apps such as Synergetic (which we use for our DB) are becoming available through browsers. I tend to think this will happen more so. My prediction is
that within 2 years a large amount of our applications will become browser based therefor doing away with the restriction of which OS we are running. However this said, I think it is far too early to dive in and roll out iPads throughout whole year levels.
I personally think some schools have done it for publicity. (shock horror).<br>
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I don't mind the notion of trialling iPads in libraries but rolling them out as a solution across the school seems ludicrous.<br>
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Anyway, next year I will be doing a study into the for mentioned devices. If anyone wants to help out or be involved, let me know.<br>
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David Howard<br>
St Michaels Grammar School<br>
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On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen [<a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Sunday, 14 November 2010 10:06 PM<br>
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Subject: Re: [elearning] [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools<br>
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Many reckon that Adobe have already quietly given up on Flash and are preparing behnd the scenes the HTML5 export for their applications. You may notice that websites such as Matheletics can now easily just as easily be accessed on the iPad or even on smart
phones such as the iPhone. Many video websites now work on iPhones (not all but those that don't are slowly evaporating) .. even whilst google makes use of Flash for street view, they are one of the big champions to push for the early adoption of the subset
of HTML5.<br>
<a href="http://news.softpedia.com/news/Adobe-Flash-CS5-Can-Export-to-HTML5-Canvas-139597.shtml" target="_blank">
</a><a href="http://news.softpedia.com/news/Adobe-Flash-CS5-Can-Export-to-HTML5-Canvas-139597.shtml" target="_blank">http://news.softpedia.com/news/Adobe-Flash-CS5-Can-Export-to-HTML5-Canvas-139597.shtml</a><br>
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I don't have flash turned on my desktop and really, dont miss it all that much. You can suggest to your eLearing team that they do the same as it will help nail down this behaviour. We deploy Safari without flash on all the desktops so users dont have to second
guess what works with flash and what does not, they can just test their link in another browser.<br>
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It is also worth read the thinking behind this from Steve Jobs at Apple and the opinion of Microsoft.<br>
<a href="http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash</a><br>
<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-weighs-in-the-future-of-the-web-is-html5/" target="_blank">
</a><a href="http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-weighs-in-the-future-of-the-web-is-html5/" target="_blank">http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-weighs-in-the-future-of-the-web-is-html5/</a><br>
<a href="http://hothardware.com/News/Microsofts-Take-On-Flash-HTML5-Is-The-Future-But-Well-Support-Adobe/" target="_blank">
</a><a href="http://hothardware.com/News/Microsofts-Take-On-Flash-HTML5-Is-The-Future-But-Well-Support-Adobe/" target="_blank">http://hothardware.com/News/Microsofts-Take-On-Flash-HTML5-Is-The-Future-But-Well-Support-Adobe/</a><br>
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My personal take on this is that the it is that there is a good case to be made for open standards such as HTML5. We have seen this before when sites started playing about with fancy browser features such as layers, Just a matter of time ..<br>
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Regards Roland<br>
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On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Kevork Krozian <<a href="mailto:K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au"></a><a href="mailto:K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au">K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au"></a><a href="mailto:K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au">K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au</a>>>
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Hi Folks,<br>
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Sorry for cross posting but very topical for our elearning colleagues ...<br>
I have spoken to 3 schools who are doing just this, Ipads at year 7 and when I raise these concerns with Flash and Java not running I get a blank stare.<br>
Is there anyone out there who has considered the issues and found a resolution/workaround or other approach apart from html5 will solve all the problems which may or may not happen and may or may not take 3 to 5 years ....<br>
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Kind Regards<br>
<br>
<br>
Kevork<br>
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On Behalf Of Don Morelli (Optus)<br>
Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 6:45 PM<br>
To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools<br>
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The decision has been made Allison which is unfortunate for your school as not only does the iPad not support Flash but it also does not support Java. So you can't run java apps like Geogebra in Maths, which is worth its weight in gold. There are many programs
that teachers use to help students to understand concepts in particular learning areas that are not about communication, collaboration and research (some of the web 2.0 stuff). These will not run on the iPad. It will be interesting to see how much of the "cloud
computing software " will run on it without problems. Try running Mathletics and I think that you will have a problem with that as well. I am sure that in the next year or so things will change, but the range of activities that you can carry out on the iPad
now, that have educational value is limited.<br>
Good luck in trying to develop a curriculum-at least it is only year 7 Cheers Don<br>
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On Behalf Of Allison KENINS<br>
Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 6:00 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au"></a><a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au"></a><a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Ipad in schools<br>
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Hi All<br>
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Sorry for not being specific to Software Development.<br>
My school is introducing iPads to our incoming year 7's and throwing out the textbooks in all subjects. As my other method is maths and this is a concern to a few of the other teachers, I was wondering if anyone else's school is doing something similar and
wanting to know what you think. Major concern for us is that we use lots of websites that are Flash based and therefore wont work (as far as I've been told) and we now need to redevelop our year 7 curriculum before the start of next year.<br>
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Any comments would be welcome.<br>
<br>
Allison<br>
Ringwood Secondary College<br>
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