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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Hi All<BR>
I also posted this rant to the it apps list where I seem to have created a real stir! <BR>
Maybe not a good thing but at least I might get some people to think about why we do the ICT rather than the CS<BR>
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If you are on IT Apps list read no further – it is a copy and paste<BR>
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In many ways this (Roland’s post below) encapsulates my worries.<BR>
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I learnt programming at Uni in 1977. We used assembler and MONECS fortran and used punch cards. <BR>
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BUT (BIG BUT) I still use the concepts now as I teach the LOGIC of programming, the logic of problem solving.<BR>
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Design, logic, planning etc is in Computer Science the use of non-humans to do the tedious bulk work so that we can do the thinking.<BR>
In Computer Science we use machines at the moment.<BR>
To paraphrase M.Smart : nano-computers and molecular computers are “that close”.<BR>
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What are we doing to enthuse students about possibilities with thinking and with using other things to do bulk repetitive tedious crunching to get out the things that we find interesting?<BR>
In the old days very few humans could do enough number crunching etc to be able to come up with “unusual or left field ideas”<BR>
Now thanks to computers many more people are able to process the sort of data that can lead to great ideas.<BR>
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Are we ENTHUSING them to do so? Are we giving them the thinking tools?<BR>
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In mY opinion in VCE IT apps we are NOT. So why do we do it?<BR>
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Teaching kids history is not meant to prepare them to work in an office doing word processing. It is meant to make them think.<BR>
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Teaching microsloth old fashioned pathetic software prepares them to work in an office. It does NOT make them think<BR>
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If we want to prepare them for industry, to work in a business office then let us make this a VET subject and call it office skills/ business skills.<BR>
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And then lets get back to computer science and call it a science<BR>
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So , off my soap box.<BR>
This might be a rant but I feel that I want to teach computing : thinking advancing, not office skills.<BR>
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Andrew<BR>
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On 7/12/11 1:13 PM, "Roland Gesthuizen" <<a href="rgesthuizen@gmail.com">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Here is a good link to a UK Observer article that resonated with me.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><FONT FACE="Arial">Programming and Computational Thinking should take pride of place in our schools<BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><a href="http://www.diigo.com/annotated/18e448bc88f295a362bf5967726506b9">http://www.diigo.com/annotated/18e448bc88f295a362bf5967726506b9</a> (to my annotated version)<BR>
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via @lindymac<BR>
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Curious what others think of this.<BR>
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Regards Roland<BR>
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On 30 November 2011 11:50, Kevork Krozian <<a href="kevork@edulists.com.au">kevork@edulists.com.au</a>> wrote:<BR>
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> Dear Computer Science in High School advocates<BR>
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> I have activated the online forum/mailing list/community which you can<BR>
> access by posting to <a href="cs4hs@edulists.com.au">cs4hs@edulists.com.au</a> .<BR>
> I haven't heard any objections from anyone about adding them to this<BR>
> list, but if you feel you don't want to be a part of it please contact or<BR>
> email me directly at <a href="kevork@edulists.com.au">kevork@edulists.com.au</a> so I can remove you. We don't<BR>
> want to run foul of the Spam Act 2003 !<BR>
> I hope we can post some of the earlier messages so they are collected as<BR>
> part of the archives of this online community.<BR>
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> Speak soon<BR>
> Kevork Krozian<BR>
> Mob: 0419 356 034<BR>
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